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Subject: We know Ritchie is bad and we expect him to do bad things, but Ryan and Zach are treated as heroes, so if they do the same they are no better. Like Goldie said, they are considered upstanding citizens. That’s the difference. / Vivian
Response Posted by: Vivian
Date Posted: Fri Jun 27 17:26:20 2008
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Subject: Actually, what Tad did to Greg Madden was WORSE than what Ritchie did to Zach and Greenlee. Ritchie trapped two people in a bomb shelter, where at least they could stand up and move around. As bad as their situation was, at least they were inside a ROOM. That was still better than being buried alive inside a narrow, claustrophobic COFFIN! If I had the choice, I'd certainly pick the bomb shelter over Greg Madden's accomodations! Understatement
Response Posted by: understatement
Date Posted: Fri Jun 27 19:40:22 2008
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Subject: Another reason why what Tad did was worse then what Richie is that Tad thought it all out and planned, down to the tiniest detail how he wanted to torture Madden. That set up he rigged, with the microphone installed so that he could badger Madden while he was trapped in that coffin was elaborate. And he did it for weeks, dug him up when he thought Madden's coffin would be discovered and reburied him! Not making light of what Richie did, but, he was in panic mode and just did something on impulse. /Cookie
Response Posted by: Cookie
Date Posted: Fri Jun 27 20:41:49 2008
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Subject: I would too, Understatement. I’d go stark raving mad in a matter of hours if I were buried in a coffin and couldn’t move. Didn’t they even have some rations in the bomb shelter? / Vivian
Response Posted by: Vivian
Date Posted: Fri Jun 27 20:43:44 2008
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Subject: Cookie, in fact Tad’s crime was premeditated murder. / Vivian
Response Posted by: Vivian
Date Posted: Fri Jun 27 20:47:27 2008
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Subject: Richie was in panic mode? So why did he deliberately go back to find Zach even though he was very sick, to make sure Zach could never accuse him of hit and run? What Richie did to Zach was an accident at first but covering up the accident by sealing Zach and Greenlee in what was supposed to be their tomb and going along his untroubled way was quite a premeditated crime. I think it was every bit as bad as Tad's. Madden stole Tad's child from him. Tad had some reason to torture him to find out where she was. Did that make it right, no, but it wasn't random. Madden had the choice to get himself out of the hole. Zach and Greenlee were given no choice. Their entrapment was completely random. They never did anything to Richie. But he enjoyed entombing them. He is one sick b@stard who makes my skin crawl. Good job by the actor. But I don't blame Zach for wanting revenge after what Richie did to him and Greenlee. So what if Zach and Ryan are considered heroes, Zach for one usually hasn't been in the past, but that's irrelevant and is no excuse for Richie.
Response Posted by: Perri
Date Posted: Fri Jun 27 22:18:27 2008
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Subject: You answered your own question as to why Richie was in panic mode. He hit Zach by accident and happened upon Zach in that hole and in his own panicky mind, saw it as opportunity to get away with the hit and run. Make no mistake, I do not condone what he did. And make no mistake, Madden didn't steal Tad's child. Dixie signed the child away. And buring someone alive is an evil, sick and twisted thing to do to someone and never an appropriate way to get information out of someone. It's absolutely ridiculous to blame Madden for not being able to get out of his ''hole''. He never should have have been put in that postion to begin with. There are other, humane ways to get information out of someone. Tad is absolutely no better than Richie and in many ways, worse. Tad had plenty of time to reconsider buring another human being alive, but, he not only did it once, he dug the guy up and buried him again. How can anyone condone that?/Cookie
Response Posted by: Cookie
Date Posted: Fri Jun 27 22:43:38 2008
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Subject: No, it’s the other way around. Just because Ritchie is a criminal doesn’t give others the right to be criminals too. Pine Valley is not the Wild Wild West. It’s supposed to be civilized. People who commit a crime out of revenge go to prison anywhere else but in PV. / Vivian
Response Posted by: Vivian
Date Posted: Fri Jun 27 22:44:23 2008
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Subject: Madden most certainly did steal Tad's child. He manipulated a sick Dixie into giving Kate away to him and never sought Tad's permission because he knew he wouldn't get it. That in my book is stealing. And Richie most certainly was not in panic mode WHEN HE RETURNED TO THE SCENE OF THE CRIME and coolly and deliberately trapped Zach and Greenlee to die. That was a premediated act, not a panicky act. Richie set out to make sure if Zach was by some miracle still alive that Zach could never squeal on him. Dragging Zach into JR's car after he hit him and throwing Zach into the woods was also premediated. Richie hitting Zach by the side of the road was an accident. Everything else Richie did after that was premediated to get rid of the evidence because he'd stolen JR's car in an attempt to make JR look guilty of another crime and he hit Zach with the stolen car.
Response Posted by: Perri
Date Posted: Fri Jun 27 22:54:16 2008
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Subject: But we have two different sets of people here. Richie is insane and he is a criminal. Zach, Ryan,Tad, and the rest of the crust of PV society are supposed to be law abiding people but they are also murders and criminals so how can they be set apart from the Richies in the world, they are the same as he and some or worse. A murder is a murder no matter what the reason, revenge is no excuse.
Response Posted by: jeanne
Date Posted: Fri Jun 27 23:42:01 2008
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Subject: jeanne, that's the way I see it too. / Cookie
Response Posted by: Cookie
Date Posted: Sat Jun 28 11:42:32 2008
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Subject: I wish somebody would bury Ryan - dead or alive.....
Response Posted by: lei
Date Posted: Sat Jun 28 22:34:31 2008
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Subject: People seem to forget that Tad did not intend to ''murder'', Madden. The earthquake, or whatever it was, did that. Those of us who have watched Tad for years KNOW that the character is not a ''murderer''. Legally? Yes, he would be held responsible, but comparing him and Richie is ridiculous, IMO. The viewers KNOW what Tad's intent was, to find his daughter, NOT to kill Madden. We also KNOW what kind of person Richie is, and we KNOW his intent was to kill Greenlee and Zach so he would never be found out. Richie ''murdered'', intentionally and premeditatedly a little boy. For what? The boy's baseball card collection! You can't compare Richie and Tad, IMO. It's like comparing apples and oranges. Having said that, I hated what the idiot writers made Tad do. His history doesn't show a nature that would have done such a thing. Just another example of the writers ignoring character history. But, I am getting tired of this tack the writers are taking with the vigilante justice attempted by all of the ''upstanding'' citizens of Pine Valley. It bothers me that they make the characters act like that. Their feelings are understandable, but what would the world be if everybody got their own brand of justice? Complete anarchy!
Response Posted by: pathfinder
Date Posted: Mon Jun 30 12:27:54 2008
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