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All My Children Discussion Group
yes I am posting anon and NO NO NO I don't want to argue over the proposed mosque. I understand freedom of religion, private property, constitution rights and so forth. I also understand the feelings of people who lost loved ones in 9 eleven and what an emotional ordeal it continues to be.
yesterday my best friend posted on FB how she didnt give a rat's behind about a mosque going up because people had the right to worship wherever they wanted. I stupid posted 'sorry I disagree'. That's all I said. Then I got attacked for everything in the book including fanatical Catholic and right wing Republican (ME who is a registered democrat). People jumped on --some for and some against and it was a mess. my best friend called me an idiot on FB.
Lesson learned. I defriended about 20 people cause I am sick of the controversy including my friend. I only posted one comment -- sorry I disagree. I feel really terrible and don't even know why.
I don't agree with the mosque idea because despite freedom to worship, we have never had a terrible thing as this happen on our homeland. Yes Pearl Harbor. Maybe somebody should have offered to buy that land privately and hold onto it around there for a future project like some type of rehab place for our military. After all, our military went to war over the fiasco (please don't jump me about Bush, lol) and those serving have so many difficulties to deal with when they come home, physically and mentally. I just think we should all rethink this.
I'm NOT trying to open a can of worms. I just wanted to post my feelings. I love catching up with my family on FB and play the occasional Farmtown. What a mess.
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What Keith Olbermann said. And I dig my heels in even more when the same folks apoplectic about this mosque have no issue with a strip club (New York Dolls) being the same distance from ground zero Funny, isn't it? Or are all the strippers Christian and therefore untouchable (no pun intended)?
The constitution is clear on freedom of relgion and freedom from religion. Muslims have the right to build a mosque wherever they like. And the prevailing notion that this somehow "insults" the victims is an excuse to further disparage Islam. Mayor Bloomberg is correct.
Let's be clear. Extremists attacked the World Trade buildings, mostly from Saudi Arabia. And the Bushes were tight with Saudis, and a Saudi owns a big chunk of Fox News. So do we attack Saudi Arabia, hate Saudis and blame Saudis? Hell no, we blame all Muslims! The people who attacked the towers, the Pentagon and hijacked the plane are the people responsible for this attack, not Muslims in general. And Christians aren't responsible for Timothy McVeigh blowing up the Murrow building in Oklahoma City.
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Thanks everyone for posting so far. I feel better. I am a long time poster here and I know we all don't have the same political views. The same for people who live in different regions of the US...some of us feel removed from like the Mexico border problems and/or New York because we don't live close to those areas, some like Obama, some dont, some watch Fox, some CNN but I hope to always respect those who disagree...I am just hurt because I lost my friend over something I cant even help. (except that I shouldn't have responded in the first place, shoulda known better) and after watching some news today, I am wondering if the mosque will even be built. There's no easy answer there when so many hurt feelings will never be healed.
I decided to unfriend more FB people this evening. I am keeping my family (we live far apart and I love seeing the pics of their children too) and Farmtown players who only exchange gifts with me and enjoy the game. I deleted people who feel the need to post every ten minutes. I WILL delete anybody who starts making politcal waves in the future, lol.
Thanks for listening.
I have facebook and like it for what I use it for, games and keeping up with friends and family. I try to stay away from any political stuff on there for the reason you mentioned. I have had a couple of ''friends'' un-friend me because I have a particular game app installed and I refuse to delete it. Mostly because of a witch hunt from a competing game app that tries to convince everyone that that particular app is CHEATING.. I've had some un-friend others because of politics, some over a JOKE that they didn't find funny... I may not have agreed with the joke but I would never un-friend someone over a difference of opinion.
That all being said, here is my opinion - I pretty much agree with Shea and Kenara (and you, I think)
After all, wasn't Timothy McVee a "Christian" when he bombed Oklahoma City? So should we not allow any Christian church near that site? What if the 911 terrorists had been disgruntled Americans? It wasn't the religion that took out the WTC, it was an extremist group. What if it had been some fundamentalist Baptists?
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Here are some excerpts from the transcript of Keith Olberman's Special Comment last Monday. Note that it is NOT a mosque that is planned for this site:
...There is, in fact, no "Ground Zero mosque." It isn't a mosque. A mosque is a Muslim holy place in which only worship can be conducted. What is planned for 45 Park Place, New York City, is a Community Center. It's supposed to include a basketball court. And a cullinary school. It's to be thirteen stories tall and the top two stories will be a Muslim prayer space ...
... this place — Park 51 — is not even at Ground Zero, not even 'right across the street.' Even the description of it being "two blocks away" is generous. It is two blocks away from the northeast corner of the World Trade Center site. From the planned location of the Sept. 11 memorial it is more like four or even five blocks. You know what is right across the street? I went there yesterday, to refresh my sense of the World Trade Center, in which I worked nearly 30 years ago.
At Church and Veezy, so close that the barbed wire of Ground Zero obscures its spire? St Paul's Chapel. Been there since 1766, where Washington went the day he was inaugurated, where the first responders came for relief nine years ago. You know what's also closer to Ground Zero than this Muslim Community Center? Church of St. Peter — at Church and Barclay Streets. As the sign says, New York's Oldest Catholic Parish.
People hear "Ground Zero Mosque" and they think Mecca in the backyard and a loud call to prayer and they take umbrage. "We got no more than a few inches of skin and a couple of pieces of bone. Ground Zero is the burial place of my son," said Joyce Boland at the public hearing about the Center. "I don't want to go there and see an overwhelming mosque looking down at me."
I honor her pain, and her fear, but Mrs. Boland has nothing to worry about. Unless she walks directly to it, she'll never see it. This is what you see from where the Center will be. Another non-descript building across the street. This building and others like it will block views of the Trade Center, and views from the Trade Center.
It certainly will stand out on the north side of Park Place, but amid the canyons of lower Manhattan, it'll just be a distinctive building that if you happen to wander down a side street near the Trade Center, you might see. You know what you'll see there now? This. The Burlington Coat Factory, abandoned since 2001 when the landing gear from one of the planes fell 90 stories and went through the roof. For nine years nobody's been willing to buy that building, just to knock it down and build a new one ...
... But back to Downtown. Does the name "Masjid-Manhattan" mean anything to you? Let me take you, in conclusion, to 20 Warren Street. Not much to look at. Not from across the street Not from up close. That open door is the only thing that distinguishes it from the rest of the grill-fronts of the neighborhood.
That, and the yellow sign there. "Entrance To Islamic Center." It's in the basement. It is a Muslim house of worship. Masjid-Manhattan. It lost its lease in a larger building down the street, two years ago. The new facility is so small that only about 20 percent of worshipers can use it, at a time. But "Masjid-Manhattan" opened in early 1970. Four blocks away, the World Trade Center opened, in December 1970.
The actual place that is the real-life equivalent of the paranoid dream contained in the phrase "Ground Zero Mosque," has been up and running, since before there was a World Trade Center, and for nine years since there has been a World Trade Center.
Running, without controversy, without incident, without terrorism, without protest. Because this is America, dammit ...
You can read the full transcript or view the video at http://www.truth-out.org/keith-olbermann-there-no-ground-zero-mosque62376
As for facebook, I am a member to keep up with distant relatives and old friends, including a couple from AMC boards years ago. I try to keep politics out of my posts, but I did have to respond to a niece-in-law who recently thought Orin Hatch had a great idea. LOL!
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I feel your pain because I have lost friends regarding politics. I'm not on Facebook so I don't know how it works.
I can see both sides on the mosque issue. I can understand why some people think that it's insensitive to build a mosque near ground zero. However, I do not believe that the terrorists from 9/11 represent the Islam faith.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
Period.
It doesn't matter if it offends people, is a terrible idea, might cause problems, is disrespectful, most people don't want it, whatever else you might want to throw in there. All of that is irrelevant. Even the arguments in favor of the mosque are irrelevant. This is not a political question. This is a constitutional question. If this goes to the Supreme Court, I predict a unanimous decision in favor of allowing the mosque.
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I respect anyone's right to worship as long as their religion doesn't involve harming other living beings (including animals), or discriminating against women, gays, or any other group that is likely to be discriminated against. Unfortunately, I haven't found an organized religion that fits that description (Buddhists, maybe?). I guess that's why I don't go to church.
I'm no expert on Islam, but it does seem insensitive to build a mosque so close to ground zero since the hijackers on 9/11 did so in the name of Islam (at least how they interpreted it). I would like to believe that they were an isolated case, but honestly I don't know enough about Islam to know what to believe.
I hope I haven't offended anyone, but those are my honest feelings.
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I have to say, I've watched friendships dissolve like crazy on Facebook because someone posts an opinion on something controversial. Back during the 2008 election, a friend of mine would "share" articles and video clips endorsing the candidate she was supporting. At the time, these "shared" links would get posted to my page and anyone elses page she chose to post on. I sent her a private e-mail asking her to please stop posting the stuff to my page. While I appreciated her opinion, it wasn't my opinion and I would rather not have it on my page. She wrote back that I was obviously uninformed and "stupid", yes stupid, and has not said a word to me since. That's fine. I've noticed people get really riled up on Facebook. I'm there to keep in touch with people and see how my friends kids are growing.
Incidentally, I'm in the NY area and I agree with you. I totally respect ones right to worship, but it seems insensitive that it's being built right there.
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