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As The World Turns Discussion Group
It's pretty obvious that I like Carly's character..good or bad..much better than Janet's simply because Carly wears her heart on her sleeve when it comes to Jack. God knows why but there it is. Every mistake she has ever made was always centered around Jack. Even the lie about her dying was done in her desperation to keep Jack. She doesn't hide her feelings or make excuses for her feelings...she just tries and tries to make Jack come back to her. And again...why? He says he loves her but I've rarely seen him show her any respect and even now...he says he wants to be with her but he always finds some problem or excuse to never let that happen. And this leaves it up to Carly to be the bad girl and chase after him and not give up simply because she has an addicted love for this jerk. I remember when she fell for Simon's charms because Jack was giving her another one of his hard times. It was simply because he treated her like a man treats a women they care for...and I really think Simon cared for her. Of course..Simon was in trouble with the law...which gave Jack another reason to make Carly look bad to everyone he came in contact with. But..even though Carly came back because she missed the kids...and I think most of all Jack..whom she's addicted to..he gave her a rough time. He marries Katie than Janet. Carly went over the edge and turned to alcohol because of her addiction to Jack. Then.. she went to rehab. and came back trying to make a future for herself...Jack starts playing these games again with her head. He critizes her for dating Craig...which was none of his business. Obviously he can move on but not Carly. So what does she do...she fights for Jack all over again. She knows how to admit when she screws up and she apologizes over and over and takes full responsibilty everytime...even when it's not her fault. Even though I hate the way she's made the bad girl and never the victim...I love her. She doesn't hide behind her religion and doesn't act like a goody-two-shoes...she doesn't care what people think of her...she just wants Jack. And I feel for her because he's just not the right guy for her but it's very hard to break an addiction...especially when the heart is involved. I know I'm in the minority...but I would have liked to see her finally break her addiction to Jack and tell him to take a hike. Carly is my most favorite character on this whole show and I'm going to hate to see it end.
I like Carly, warts and all. I have also been one of the few people who really liked how the current Carjack story was written mainly because Carly was strong and kept putting Jack off while Jack was the one pursuing her. Even during the Liberty illness reveal Carly kept to herself and essentially told Jack to back off as she couldn't consistently be the one to put on the brakes. HOWEVER since the Dustnet sex/Jacket baby reveal the writing for Carly has gone DOWNHILL. She has since then, tried to seduce Jack into sleeping with her, FOLLOW him to Minn. and now cannot seem to give him breathing room. In essence back to chasing him since last Friday. I absolutely HATE it. Carly has not been chasing Jack for reconciliation and supported him as a friend for a long time, even when he tried to make moves. Jack then comes and makes promises which he fails to keep and she almost slips but stays strong. NOW she knows about Janet's infidelity and she's reverting back to behavior. I hope it ends soon. I want her to take herself out of the picture, however for Carly it's hard since Jack keeps telling her how he loves her etc etc..
I am tired of Carly chasing Jack (even if she has only been doing it for a week lol in the current storyline). The one thing she did today that I liked was telling Jack "I didn't sign up for this".
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I was enjoying this incarnation of Jack and Carly up until now. Oh, I knew they still had a lot between them that in the real world I would consider very unhealthy, but at least this time they had made Carly a little stronger and a little more self aware and she was making a lot of the right noises about herself and Jack. As for Jack, he seemed humbled and softer and he seemed to have a renewed appreciation for Carly. It wasn't a radical departure from the same old, but it was enough different that I felt good about it. I especially like seeing that Carly wasn't in a begging position.
But then, Jack went back to Janet and we got replay number 1000 of the same old same old. The only difference this time is that the woman Jack is tangled up with is a woman I'm apparently supposed to think is wonderful and above reproach, but somehow I can only see her as a self-righteous, self-pitying, self-serving, bullying gorgon. I guess I just don't ''get it''
So between the frustration of not ''getting'' the real Janet, the heroine who should never be answerable for anything, and the frustration of watching Carly slipping back into being the one begging on the sidelines while Jack keeps her dangling, there's not really any reason to keep watching it.
I'm sick of loathing Janet. Uncle, uncle. I give. She's wonderful, she's marvelous, she's delightful, she's d'lovely. So be it.
I can't tell you how sorry I am that I don't simply adore Janet. I really wish I did. It would make watching the show a far more enjoyable pursuit. Clearly I'm supposed to think she's something really special. She's so special that all those behaviors I would normally find loathsome in the average person are somehow transformed through the alchemy that is Janet into virtuous wonders. She's not a bitch, she's honest. She's not self-pitying, she's overcome great odds. She's not hypocritical, she's simply above reproach. She's not self-righteous, she's right and entitled. The world does owe her all she believes and more. My bad.
I can't watch anymore Janet Princess Warrior. The frustration level is too high. I finally made the break, I haven't watched in a week and I really don't see myself tuning back in for more.
I'll check the board and if, by some miracle, the show chooses to actually allow Carly to have some dignity I'll check it out, but as it is, I was already sick of the same old same old, and adding my obviously mistaken Janet loathing on top of it just makes for an unpleasant waste of time.
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Here's what I find very interesting. People bending over backwards to pretend that Janet's cheating wasn't really cheating or excuse her cheating because of Jack's treatment and Liberty's illness and yet I haven't heard one person, not one mention that Carly's behavior w/r/t Jack is textbook addictive behavior that could equally mitigate some of the psychotic and inappropriate behavior she's been displaying.
The woman was fresh out of rehab and immediately got mixed up in her addiction of choice out of pure necessity at first. As much as I didn't like Carly chasing after Jack initially, I did understand that his behavior was pretty frightening and he had every indication that he could be suicidal. So I gave the woman a pass for going after him when Janet couldn't have been bothered (and sorry there's no debating that...Janet claimed that she had to work and take care of Liberty and she did none of that during the entire time Jack and Carly were on that vision quest).
Carly repeatedly told Jack that her feelings for him and her love for him was like booze. How many freaking times have we heard her say this? And still Jack continued to pursue her, make her promises he couldn't keep and insert himself in her already troubled life. Then, after she found out about his manufacturing a donor with Janet, the woman was nearly driven to drinking.
When she chased Jack and Janet to Minneapolis, donned that red dress and decided to "go after her man", my initial thought was "clearly this woman has snapped and has fallen off the wagon". I think that every single thing she has done w/r/t Jack since her return from rehab has been indicative of an addict chasing her next fix. I think IRL someone would sit down and really give Carly some deep psychological counseling about the root of her addiction.
Now I most certainly do not agree with Carly inserting herself in the middle of Jack and Janet's life. However, I do find it interesting that everyone seems to excuse Janet's behavior because of what Jack did to her and no one will give Carly an inch in light of what Jack HAS BEEN DOING TO HER and the fact that her behavior is indicative of an addict in crisis. I still hold Carly responsible for her actions, but I guess I'm not ready to call the woman a slut and a tramp just yet.
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I agree with much of this post however, I am beyond sick of watching this trainwreck. I adore MW and have always loved Carly but, lately it is all wearing really, really thin for me.
Today we have Carly ask Jack "how long do I have to wait".. maybe not exact words but, very close. I wanted to scream... I seriously wanted to punch her. lol How about just bend over Carly and ask Jack how far he is going to shove it in... ofcourse, I mean his foot... his foot. lol
She is so pathetic and has been written this way for years now. She actually seemed more mature and ready to move on when she came back from rehab but, that didn't last. Craig/Carly was a refreshing time out... the Simon storyline was like chocolate to me.. that storyline was like being on a diet for 2 months and then finally getting a piece of chocolate cake!
Let' see.... Jack has had Julia Lindsey, Julia Larabee, Katie, Janet.. he married all 4 of them. With all 4 of them we had the same storyline.. Jack feeling obligated and Carly standing in the wings waiting for him or chasing him.. one or the other. Why these writers are incapable of anything original is beyond me. Talk about pathetic... the writing for these two is especially pathetic.
Carly has not been remarried since Jack... Carly has had two relationship besides Jack.. Craig and Simon... Holden doesn't count for me. Simon was played as being this huge mistake for Carly... Simon was some criminal and Carly followed behind him. Although, even in this storyline they almost made it seem at times that she left with Simon to spare Jack the humiliation or something. Craig was just used as a prop while she drank herself into oblivion because of her love for Jack!! Jack was at the center of every storyline Carly has almost ever had... ridiculous!! Carly is not allowed to move on.. and yes, you are correct she is addicted to Jack but, that is because they write her as being unable to break that addiction... for some reason these writers will not allow Carly to ever get past her "G-Man".. however on the other side Jack seems to have no issue getting over Carly and putting every woman before her. They have never figured out that Carly fans are really, really sick of this crap... years later and nothing ever changes for Carly!! I have watched soaps for decades and everyone knows soaps are constantly changing everything... I mean you have marriages and divorces, babies, careers change at the drop of a hat.. but, Carly never changes.. Carly never moves on or gets past Jack??? WTH?? Why is this??!
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