As The World Turns Discussion Group -- The big May sweeps story: revealed brain chip in Goutman's head

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Topic: The big May sweeps story: revealed brain chip in Goutman's head

Topic Posted by: walter curtin
Date Posted: Sun Feb 7 0:09:56 2010
Additional Comments: He killed AW. Kreizman killed GL. Together they will kill the best soap ever, As the World Turns. If the show finishes taping June 30th, then there are 60 episodes to wrap up 50 years. Get rid of Mick. Immediately do the things that are respectful of the work these actors have done and the fans who have given Goutman a paycheck for the last 10. I hope he never finds work again.

Posted by: ATWTfan
Date posted: Sun Feb 7 16:31:19 2010
Message:
Stop being so ignorant. AW had all ready hit its all-time low ratings BEFORE Goutman got there. Goutman was only there for the show's last 6 months, and you know that. Stop with the lies. People can argue all they want that Goutman killed ATWT, because he has been here for many years. But he was only at AW at the very end when the show's fate had already been sealed.

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I watched the very first episode of AW but in the 80's when they started to dismantle the core family the Mathews was when I stopped watching every day and I believe that was the start of the decline of AW.Too much emphasis on Rachel Cory and all her problems, how many times did she go blind?? Beverley Penberthy who played Pat Mathews for several years said when she returned for AW's 20th anniversary that she felt the destruction of the core family had been a big mistake.

I started watching AW about 3-4 years before it was cancelled, and I even stopped watching GL so I could watch it (they clashed, of course)! AW was a lot like GL. Both shows concentrated highly on character development. I liked EVERY character on AW the whole time I watched it, and ya'll KNOW how I hate most people on the shows! It was just a joy to watch it! I got mad at people and yelled at them (Jake)!!! But I still liked them! There was one period of GL where it was the same for me. I liked EVERY character on the show. Even Ross, whom I normally couldn't stand under other writers. But this writer had taken away his pompousity and self righteousness, and I actually liked him then. It was really FUN being able to actually LIKE the bad guys too! No other show has ever done that for me, and I've watched TONS of them over the years. (In fact, in the 90s I quit watching Y&R, because I only liked about 3 people on the show! The same with Days years later. Only liking about 3 people canNOT keep you watching a show, believe me!) fee

to ATWTfan: Goutman and Wheeler were paid assassins

Posted by: MartyB
Date posted: Sun Feb 7 9:40:20 2010
Message:
One of the things I will really miss when ATWT goes off the air & this board becomes obsolete are your posts. You always lay it out there & even if I disagree I enjoy reading your posts for their insite & passion. Keep it coming to the end Walter I'm a fan.

Posted by: Flower Petal
Date posted: Sun Feb 7 4:53:53 2010
Message:
Well, according to Rosebud, writers don't write, producers don't produce. Goutman is highly overpaid to do nothing. He works 40 hours and does NOTHING!

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Don't you know it's all the fault of the SUITS? LOL

Sorry, I don't think this was the suits! I think this was strictly the fault of CORP! fee

Posted by: cycworker
Date posted: Sun Feb 7 0:26:26 2010
Message:

I watched AW from the mid 70s to the end. Goutman DID not kill it. It had been dying for a long time.

Watched GL off and on in the 70s (my nana flipped between GL and GH, depending on what stories were on that day) and then regularly from the Four Musketeers era on. Again... you can't blame it on Kreizman. He wrote some good stuff.

The problems with GL can be traced back to around the time Jill Phelps was fired. Laibson and MacTavish screwed up GL. The death of Maureen Bauer in some ways of course started it, but that at least DID create good story. And things like that do happen irl. I loved that they showed us that we can lose the Moes in our lives.

While I agree with you that I hate the Mick story, your wish - which seems to be to pretty much ignore the people who are on the canvas now to bring back people we've not seen in decades and tell their stories - doesn't make sense.

A visit from Andy? Sure, I'd love it. Frannie, too. Maybe even Betsy. But I don't want them taking up alot of time. I want to focus on the people who live in Oakdale NOW.

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IT disagree! I thought Laibson and McTavish were WONDERFUL! They brought Reva back on the show, and somebody else, I think it was Phillip. They brought Mary Stuart on as Meta, which I thought was pure genius! I think the things that killed the show was the AWFUL change they made in Harley (I wasn't watching when they changed her into a screechy self righteous shrew, so I don't know who was responsible for that), having her on WAY too much (making the viewers have to endure her constant shrieking), the losing of the character of Roger Thorpe, and all the budget problems. Pretty much P&G. I think they did it because they just wanted to. (Please see Rosebud for a more complete version of the P&G problems.) But I don't think it was Kreizman at all. He did LOTS of things I really loved. (and at least if Harlot was on a lot, I could ffd her)! Actually, after Harlot left the show, I hardly ever ffd a thing anymore! And it went up another hundred notches when Gridy left! (I STILL watch Phillip knocking that pompous jackass over that cliff, and just clap!) fee

Actually, I should say the firing of MZ and the getting RID of the character of Roger Thorpe. They had a great opportunity on the show of having a great SL regarding ALS. They lost a LOT of viewers over that. I've read many posters say they never watched again after the way MZ was treated when he was ill. That actually may have started it. The killing of Maureen Bauer was absolutely STUPID! She was a replacement for Bert, and the show wasn't the same after she was killed off! So getting rid of those two characters like they did was a huge part of it, I'm sure! fee

Fee I quit watching GL after the way they treated Michael Zaslow. I also hated how they killed off Maureen Bauer and rarely watched after that. IMO those two actions by TIIC began the downward slide for GL.