As The World Turns Discussion Group -- Jack's feelings about Carly

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Topic: Jack's feelings about Carly

Topic Posted by: sneakers619
Date Posted: Sat May 3 14:44:10 2008
Additional Comments: I have always felt that Jack is very much in love with Carly but doesn't want to be which is why his behavior towards her is so outrageous. Now that Carly is not pursuing him and is trying to regain her self-respect I believe Jack is completely dumbfounded and can't believe that, as the saying goes, *he doesn;t have Carly to kick around anymore*. The thing that is disturbing is that there seems to be a hint that he is going to turn against Holden. That would be hard to take since they have always been very close - more like brothers than cousins.

Posted by: cleary233
Date posted: Mon May 5 16:49:04 2008
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I just wonder is Jack's pissy attitude is setting the stage for Jack to have some kind of PTS breakdown, where he's being a dick to everyone, drinking more, becoming reckless on the job, and sleeping with the wrong women.

I would welcome that as a sl for Michael Park. I am getting tired of him being a pompous jerk.

Posted by: Shadowdancer
Date posted: Mon May 5 9:52:19 2008
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I have known guys like that, who keep a girl in their orbit just so they can feel superior. Come to think of it, I've known girls who treated guys like that as well, lol. But as soon as the ''inferior'' half starts gaining momentum, getting their life together, the ''superior'' half starts trashing them even to the point of sabotage (''forgetting'' to deliver important messages, erasing stuff from answering machine)... just so they can keep feeling superior & say ''I told you so.'' Jack is a pretty disgusting character, even though Carly usually brings things on herself.

Posted by: zip
Date posted: Sun May 4 10:50:03 2008
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It's very simple as I see it; Jack has an enormous ego and when Carly is begging him to stay he is lapping it up. But he thinks he is superior to her, so he keeps rejecting her. BUT when she decides they're over and someone else is interested in her, he can't handle that. He doesn't want her, but he doesn't want anyone else to have her. Very neanderthal mindset.

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I think you've got something there. It's the same mindset with Katie, he doesn't want to commit to her either, yet he's jealous when she moves on and wants her to stay in his orbit even though she's married to his brother. Jack seems rather shocked that his two ex-ladies no longer hang on his every word and follow all his advice (or even want it)./MissM.

Oh you so nailed it! For both Jack and Katie......Great post. ht

This is the most plausible of excuses I've read. lol. He doesn't want Carly *except for sex*, but he doesn't want anyone else to have her either. Carly is basically his whore. The woman he wants to bed but not marry.

Jack does have the need to be worshipped. He used to be likable, but he is now just an arrogant windbag

Posted by: cleary233
Date posted: Sun May 4 10:25:03 2008
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I think Emma was right in telling Holden to stay out of Jack and Carly's biz.

Why?

Because Holden, Carly,Jack ,and Lily use flirtations/sex with people outside their marriage in order to deal with their issues in their marriage. Fine , whatevs, but now they are about to use family members to act out and its just not going to be pretty.

I do find it ironic that Holden accepts Carly, who is a known liar and conniver, but can't cut Lily, who right now is an emotionally fragile, barely recovered substance abuser, a break, but I attribute that to Holden letting his growing attraction to Carly call the shots.

As for Jack, I still haven't forgiven him for how he treated Julia Lindsey back in the day when she was a sweet, sane girl or for the way he talks and treats Carly. So, he's getting his karmic payback.

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I don't find Holden's acceptance of Carly ironic at all. I find it a breath of fresh air - these Snyders are so busy being clannish and judgemental - except when it comes to themselves - that it's about time one of them took the opportunity to actually get to know someone who has a bad 'rep' among their inner circle. So far all Carly and Holden are is friends. If Holden can learn to accept Carly for all her faults and see some good in her, maybe one day he'll be able to do that with his own wife. And IMO Emma is the one who needs to butt out of her adult childrens' lives. And they need to move their butts off her farm. I hate the way she calls Jack and Holden her 'boys' and treats them like little kids. She reminds me of my mother-in-law who won't let her three sons grow up! ht

Carly has never used sex outside the marriage. Out of the 4 of them, she's the ONLY one who's remained loyal. I also don't know what the big deal is with Holden enjoying Carly's company. For the first time ever he's spending alone time with her and actually getting to know her as a person. Everything he's heard about her comes from JACK. He's finding out Carly isn't as bad as Jack always proclaims, I give him credit for that. Haven't we all changed opinions of people once we get to know them? This is what I see Holden doing. No biggie. Although he is developing quite the crush on her which I think is cute. I don't want them to be a couple, but it's been a long long time since a man has wanted Carly.

Posted by: JudgeJudy
Date posted: Sun May 4 0:15:46 2008
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I don't know if Carly is gaining her self-respect or is just up to her old tricks. It all depends on if Lily still wants Holden as her husband. Until that is known,,,,,Carly should stay away from Holden and stop trying to gain her *self-respect* by constantly flirting around him behind Lily's back. She already messed up with Jack. Is Holden next on her list?

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I haven't seen Carly flirting with him. She and Holden are acting like friends now. There may be more to come later, but posters are jumping the gun on this one.

Posted by: Liz
Date posted: Sat May 3 23:05:52 2008
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I feel bad for Jack because I think he really does love Carly. But he reached the end of the line with her when she pulled all that cheating with Simon. Something like that in a marrage does not go away. I think also when Carly left her kids to run off with Simon, avoiding the law and chose another man over Jack along with her endless lies, it was the last straw for him. If Carly's fake brain tumor had not spoiled his marrage to Katie, Jack would have moved on and his kids would have been better off for it. Katie was a good substitute mother to them. But now Jack has lost his happy home because of his principles and has to standby and watch Holden move in on Carly, the woman he would give his life for.. Carly is even giving Jack a hard time with their kids, because of her fustration and anger that he will not love her, forgive her and take her back unconditionally. When Holden and Carly were laughing and having a goodtime.. I could feel how Jack must have felt..how bad he wanted to take her in his arms and reclaim her for himself. He and the their kids have lost so much because of her loose ways. Today, it looked like again Carly's harmful choices in life are going to continue to bring heartache to all who love her.

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Carly and Jack were separated (at Jack's request) when Carly started seeing Simon. She sped up the divorce so she could be with Simon without guilt, but Carly and Jack were NOT together and she did not cheat on him. Jack was the one who initiated the divorce and he only showed the slightest hesitation because Simon was in the picture. eom/happy

That's correct. Carly was NOT cheating on Jack with Simon, so that's not an issue between Jack and Carly. What broke up their marriage was when Jack told Carly to stay out of his career business because he could handle it himself, and Carly went behind his back to interfere anyway.... and nearly got someone killed in the process. Plus he was none too happy that in doing so, she paraded around half-naked every night flirting with gangsters in a strip club. All that said, she wasn't being unfaithful to him - just dishonest and disrespectful. As for poor Jack having to watch Holden move in on Carly, Holden is NOT *moving in* on Carly. They've struck up a friendship, that's all. For now, at least. Holden hasn't made any kind of move on Carly, nor she on him. eom/D

Neither of you understand my post.Yes Carly and Jack were getting a divorce so she could be with Simon. But believe me men never forget rejection even if they are too proud to say so. Now if Jack would give in an get back with Carly, he would always hold that against her or bring it up to her.. that she chose to run off and play around with Simon rather then hang out with Jack and be a mother to Jack's children. That is human nature. Carly can be a tramp and that is exactly the way she acted leaving her kids..liz

But liz, that's simply not the way it happened. Carly *chose* to run off with Simon, rather than stay with Jack? Jack URGED her to leave with Simon, rather than go to prison! That's what really happened. No, she didn't have to leave. I think she should have stayed and faced the music. But her alternative was never to stay with Jack and the children. She was already a parole violator, and she and Simon had commited a serious crime. She would have gone to prison. Jack didn't want the mother of his children to be a convict. eom/D

Jack had no other choice being a cop but to advise Carly to leave but Carly was the one who got into trouble with Simon. Carly is a grown woman who could think for herself. She did comeback to face the music..so why didn't she at the begining? She wanted to be with Simon..that is why and Jack will have one more thing to hold against her..liz

*Jack had no other choice being a cop but to advise Carly to leave* What are you talking about??? Jack's DUTY was to arrest her and Simon. His DUTY. And then, how could Carly have *chosen* to stay with Jack and the kids? I don't disagree with you that Carly was downright stupid to get involved with Simon in the first place, but she certainly wasn't *cheating* on Jack when she did. It was Jack who'd left her, long before she got mixed up with Simon. I didn't blame him for leaving her, but that doesn't change the fact that SHE WAS NOT CHEATING, as you claimed. eom/D

I agree, Dolphina, that statement has me scratchng my head. Jack was breaking the law by aiding a fugitive./mm

Dolphna..it is very hard to carry on a one on one conversation with you. You always have a follow up post agreeing with you. Do you realize that ALWAYS happens?..Liz

I don't know what to say about that. I suppose I should be pleased that every so often, someone agrees with me. eom/D

''You always have a follow up post agreeing with you.'' It almost sounds as though you're accusing dolphina of posting these ''follow-up posts'' herself, Liz. Either that, or suggesting that she has a group of adoring sycophants following her around the board and mindlessly agreeing with her. It seems quite obvious to me that neither is the case. eom MaryHatch

Posted by: Janie
Date posted: Sat May 3 20:18:43 2008
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Unlike many of you, I don't find Jack all that awful. I personally think of the two, Carly has been the one to create almost all of the problems in their relationship. I do believe that Jack has, does, and always will love Carly. Just one day last week, he had that look on his face that says it! But its hard to love someone like Carly because she lies, she cheats, she does whatever she wants to get her own needs met. I find her very egocentric. You can love someone but still not be able to trust that person and I think that is where Jack is now. She may or may not be a good mother to her children. The jury is out on that for me. When she is around, yes she is a good mother to them but when it comes to getting what she wants, its not above her to just take off and leave them. Jack brought that up last week and in her usual self-centered way, she replied with something like, 'Are you still going to hold that against me?' Well, yes, Carly, we are. What you did was a horrible, awful thing and you should be held responsible and in some way be made to pay for what you did. It looks to me that as much as Katie really loved Jack, she had to leave him because she knew that he would always love Carly and she would only be a second choice. I don't blame her. I liked Jack and Katie together but I could see that wasn't good for her because he put Carly ahead of her. I am very much liking the way she and Brad are relating and hoping that this marriage will work out. It would be nice to see a positive outcome for a change. I realize that I have digressed from the original topic but once I got started, I couldn't stop. :( P.S. I am not liking Holden and Carly together at all. That just looks sick to me and the way they are always turning up meeting each other doesn't even seem logical.

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carley/jack

Carly may have been awful, but it doesn't excuse his abuse. There were many many times she did nothing wrong and he still abused her and called her a slut. Or when he disagrees with her he keeps threatening to take the children away. IMO, marrying the woman who deliberately tried to destroy his family topped anything Carly ever did. It's just too bad the show never harps on Jack's misdeeds like they do Carly's.

It is strange that you find Carly the egocentric one. You just be seeing a different Jack that I have.

Posted by: Sharen2
Date posted: Sat May 3 19:32:47 2008
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Jack is the sexest man on the show. It is not hard to see why Carly wants him and has held on so long. Jack being a cop has to be given credit for sticking to his guns. Carly being trouble, Jack puts his kids first to protect them from all her far out behavior. Now that he sees Holden hanging around her, Jack wants what he knows he shouldn't have.

Posted by: gallyn
Date posted: Sat May 3 18:12:15 2008
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As Barney on HIMYM would say...Holden's breaking the "Bro Code". You don't date your bro's ex...and especially NOT when you're still married yourself. It was a minor infraction when Holden hooked up with Skankerbee when Jack went back to Carly. Jack was done with her. Holden was technically looking for a divorce from Lily.

Despite all his protests whether or not Jack loves Carly, Jack just made love to Carly, and Holden knows it. So it's not like Holden can claim cluelessness here.

Yes, Jack shouldn't be jealous. Yes, he should just let Carly move on, since he refuses to deal with his feelings. But I can't blame Jack for looking at the situation of Holden potentially having feelings for Carly and seeing disaster written all over it.

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Holden and Jack are NOT Brothers!

^^^Yeah, well, they may as well be...

I should have guessed you'd get on your superior, know-it-all HIGH HORSE and jump on me referring to Carly as ''aunt''. Children COMMONLY refer to their parents' friends as ''aunt'' or ''uncle'', at least in the backwoods hickdom in which I live. Faith and Nat have known Carly forever, Carly's children are currently living at the farm with them (at least part of the time) and have for approximately the last two years. So FORGIVE me if I lazily wanted to give Carly the honorary title of ''aunt'', instead of referencing her as their cousin-by-marriage. You've been monitoring my posts long enough to realize I've been watching the show for years, since the mid-70's in fact, and not just some viewer who just fell off the turnip truck. So you can take your fake superiority, your snotty attitude and send it on a slow boat to Montega. GOT IT?? gallyn

AND btw....men frequently refer to their friends as ''bro's''. Have for quite a while. gallyn

P.S.....if you actually read my post, you'll notice that I didn't even call Jack and Holden ''brothers''. I referenced the ''Bro Code'', a set of rules. I'm sorry it doesn't meet your exacting labeling requirements, but such is life... gallyn

Posted by: Miss Marple
Date posted: Sat May 3 16:45:45 2008
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I for one am lovin' every minute of it. For once Jack is finding out how rejection feels. Both the women he has rejected are moving on with their lives, and neither wants Jack's advice or assistance. He is seems genuinely surprised that both Katie and Carly are no longer interested in his opinions and in sharing their emotions. Even the kids, seem to prefer that their parents be apart rather than the constant fighting. Yes, Jack has always felt lust for Carly (who wouldn't) but that's not love. Now to turn to her because there is no one else would be an insult, and he would continue to treat her like she's an idiot.

Looks like we have a new woman in town with juicy Janet and the question is, will Jack try to move in on her? From the brief preview, I thought she was a keeper. With Holden and Carly becoming friends (please let that be all there is) will he and nuLily hit it off. What horrible family dynamics and I hope they don't go there. But I'm very afraid it's where they're headed. Sigh.

Posted by: htimage
Date posted: Sat May 3 16:25:07 2008
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Weeellll, let's see. Someone may need to remind me of my facts. I think the relationship began as lust on both their parts. I think lust is something Jack isn't comfortable with. He's a 'good guy' and his mother was led around by lust. He certainly has sex with other women, but I've never seen him have that lustful look on his face with any woman other than Carly. On the other hand, I believe Carly came to love Jack and began to believe that they were/are indeed soul mates despite her tendency to screw up the relationship. She's put her life on the line repeatedly for him and for their kids and he's never once thanked her. Nor has she asked for his thanks. Jack came through for her big time and stuck by her during the spa episode. Otherwise, he's been pretty much an azz about things. Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Carly the one who figured out that Julia Lindsey was holding him hostage in his own house and then rescued him, or got Hal to go there and rescue him? Truth be told, I always felt that Carly was better friends with Hal than she was with her own husband. When Jack went off the bridge and Hal was trying to comfort Carly, that scene was amazing. Just amazing. I loved those two actors together. Last thing - I don't believe Jack really loves Carly. You don't treat people you love the way he treats her.

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ht, Carly was at the spa when Julia raped Jack and held him hostage. It was SIMON who saved his life in the end, the same man Jack trashed when Simon returned. ;)

Wow! I couldn't remember who rescued Jack. Isn't it interesting how soap histories and relationships get re-written! The writers' memories must be as bad as mine! ht

Posted by: Kitty23
Date posted: Sat May 3 16:20:04 2008
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I agree with you about Jack being dumbfounded and not just about Carly. He seems equally struck when Brad, Katie or HOlden all call him on his interference. I think he is surprised for several reasons. 1 - he is always been there when everyone else has needed him for something so giving his opinion seems logical for him. He doesn't understand when he is going over the line like he was with Katie on Friday.

2 - He has always tried to do the right thing. He hasn't always succeeded but he tries. And here is Carly who has lied to everyone in town about something suddenly getting smiles and support from Holden. Carly has the kids back and while he wants his children to love their Mother, a part of him has got to resent her for getting their love back after disappearing from their lives and leaving him to do everything. Jack still feels like a fool for falling for Carly's - I"m dying - story and being told at the altar. I know, he had his part in how this went down, too.

3 - he has never gotten over how easy it is for Brad. Need a job, Brad? Here, become a television co-host, make tons of money, have women throw themselves at you. This has to eat at Jack.

Suddenly, Jack has no woman in his life, his kids are back living with their Mother in a house he is paying for, his job is routine. Everyone around him has something going on and his life is going nowhere. It is all piling up on him and he is going to really blow - or act out as we would say with kids - any time now. I'm anxious to see what he does.

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Yo! No. 2 is all wrong. lol. Jack TOLD Carly to leave when she didn't want to! Don't forget the writers changed that major tidbit. Just because they changed it just to tar and feather Carly on her return, I'm not buying it. And let us also not forget that Jack has a TON of lies and CRIMES under his belt, but no one, not even Carly, knows about them. Because the show ignores Jack's misdeeds so he can be called *the good guy.* Some viewers forget these things because of it.

What crimes and lies does Jack have under his belt since he has become involved with Carly?..liz

The most recent was when Jack urged and facilitated Carly and Simon escaping together. He's an officer of the law, yet he sent two criminals out of town to evade capture. eom/D

I must have said this a hundred times already but apparently it bears repeating. Carly broke the law by helping Simon steal a valuable necklace creating an international incident. The choice was go to jail or escape. Jack made it possible for her to escape. She chose to do the crime in the first place. She told Gwen she wanted to leave her children for Simon. This makes her the bad guy here NOT Jack. K23

How about when Jack stole Carly's closed records from her childhood and destroyed them, because he thought that Carly has killed Iris's poor boy baby...that turned out to br Gwen........that was dropped....but it was still criminal.....Jack also tried to cover up the deed when Carly drugged Gwen.....he is not as clean as he tries to ne....just to meet his needs...He also cheated on Carly w/ Julia # 2 and then forced his dead mistress son on her and the rest of his family....and before the mistress died....he neglected that family of his....he is a dope

Posted by: CannaLily
Date posted: Sat May 3 15:27:05 2008
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I'm not making fun of your take on Jack's feelings for Carly, because a lot of people feel that way. Can a man really hate himself for loving someone, so he abuses that person because of it? I don't see where love fits into any of it. If it does, it's an abusive kind of love. Michael can't even save an abuse story. lol And Jack's been abusing the hell out of Carly since his memory returned. IMO, it's about control, not love.