Linny, I could not agree more. Carly is doomed to grovel and serve as the town whipping girl for years on end, while anyone who wrongs her is expected to be granted instant forgiveness. (eom) Mandi
Posted by: Mandi
Date posted: Mon Nov 16 7:25:37 2009
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For me, the major difference between what Carly and Holden did and what Craig and Rosanna did is that Carly and Craig were NOT estranged. They were engaged at the time Craig took up with Rosanna. He had a commitment to Carly, which was not nullified the day she entered rehab. To the contrary, he claimed he would be there for her when she returned. (Personally, I never bought Carly's love for Craig, but that doesn't change the fact that he cheated on her, nor does it negate the pain caused by the cheating.) While Lily and Carly were friends, Carly didn't take advantage of Lily in the way that Rosanna did Carly. There is really no comparison, as Craig and Rosanna paraded their affair out in public, and they carried on under the same roof as Carly's children. If Carly had done the same thing, people would be calling for her head. Hell, she's done less, and people have held her far more accountable. I don't care if Carly didn't love Craig, and for the record, I never heard her say she didn't, Rosanna and Craig betrayed her right in her own bed. Carly trusted Craig and Rosanna to care for her children and household, not to screw as soon as the passion got too overwhelming. It was tacky and cruel.
If you are looking just to compare the affair based on how one woman trusted another, and then slept with her man, then perhaps Rosanna said it best when she said Carly would think she was paying her back for Mike.
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Yeah, can you imagine if Carly had carried on the way Rosanna has with Craig? She'd have been homeless, childless and shunned within 48 hours. All anyone does to Rosanna is look at her strangely and wonder if she's sane for sleeping with the man who almost killed her. gallyn
Carly HAS done the same thing - even worse because she deliberately seduced Jack away from his new bride Katie with an egregious lie - and Katie was able to forgive, forget and put up her life savings when there was a ransom demand for JJ. Perhaps Carly should keep that in mind now. I'm not for a moment excusing what Craig and Rosanna have done, but Carly is a sitting duck in a glass house IMO. eom/D
D you are right. However, Carly was NOT forgiven so easily. I distinctly recally Katie putting all of the blame on Carly even though she rightfully divorced Jack for his betrayal. Carly was flayed for her actions and she deserved it and actually expected it. Ro and Craig are acting as though Carly should get over this in a week. No one forgave Carly as fast as everyone expects Carly to forgive these two jokers for their actions. eom Linny
I think that had more to do with her lying about her health - to everyone, including her kids - than sleeping with Jack. Even so, no one tried to *get even* with Carly the way she's doing now to Craig and Rosanna. She won't rest until she's broken them up. eom/D
JJ's ransom was before the Jack/Katie marriage, but that's neither here or there. Every time Carly makes a mistake, she tries to go around and ''fix'' it, and repeatedly gets told she can't do anything to earn their forgiveness. I don't see why it should be any different for Craig and Rosanna. While Ro's sorry Carly is hurt, it's clear Craig isn't. At least not in any meaningful way. ''Too bad, so sad you got shoved aside for your sister'' isn't exactly the most sincere way to apologize. IMO. gallyn
*JJ's ransom was before the Jack/Katie marriage* REALLY? I would have sworn that happened after Katie had every reason to tell Jack and Carly to go pound sand. eom/D
Oh, please don't bring up Katie forgiving Carly. She broke into Carly's house looking for something to put Carly & Simon into prison.
You're thinking of the money Katie ponied up for Henry to use to convince Kit that he wanted to buy her half of Metro, to dupe her into confessing that she shot Sam, not Parker. Remember....Carly actually interrupted one of Jack's proposals to Katie with the news JJ was missing? We were lead to assume the infection Carly got (that was misdiagnosed as a brain tumor) was due to the fight she had with Silas before taking a bath in quicksand. Jack and Katie got married after JJ's kidnapping, and were broken up by the time Parker shot Sam while trying to rape Carly. Though Katie was still kind of holding on to some hope---Jack was in the hospital after getting shot, and he called her his wife in a feverish haze or something. But he quickly snapped out of it, and Katie realized she had a good thing in Brad. gallyn
*She broke into Carly's house looking for something to put Carly & Simon into prison* That happened AGES before Jack and Katie were married. It has NOTHING to do with Carly lying about her brain tumor to seduce Jack away from Katie. eom/D
*ou're thinking of the money Katie ponied up for Henry to use to convince Kit that he wanted to buy her half of Metro* Yes, that's right. Well, she donated all her money for something to benefit one of Jack and Carly's kids, after Carly broke up her marriage. eom/D
I have been watching every episode for a while now. What indication have we been given that Carly would stop at nothing to break up Craig and Rosanna? All I saw was Carly playing with Craig's attraction to her. Frankly, I think Carly hasn't gone after Rosanna with full force because she knows Rosanna owed her this betrayal from when Carly seduced Mike. (eom) Mandi
Mandi, I'm glad someone else remembers that seduction of Mike by Carly....some of these folks have VERY selective memory !! **
D---Katie didn't donate anything to the Carjack kids---she got her money back from the Kit scheme. I do admit, even offering her money up was the one generous act I can credit Katie with. Post liver to Margo, of course. gallyn
Posted by: Midwest Meredith
Date posted: Sun Nov 15 23:37:01 2009
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I totally agree with you and have felt this way since Carly came home. I just expected Carly to not want Craig anymore and be relieved that he had found love with someone else. I am rather shocked that they are making Carly so angry and hurt by all of this... yes, I understand Craig slept with her sister.. I get it but, I just expected different.
I can understand Carly hating Craig but, I really think she should forgive Rosanna. Carly has made some big mistakes, and one of them was the affair with Holden... I hope eventually she remembers her compassion and decides to become the bigger sister and welcome Rosanna back into her life. Craig can rot as far as I am concerned. lol
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ITA..they bruised her ego, not her heart.**
Posted by: Miss Marple
Date posted: Sun Nov 15 21:45:09 2009
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I'm a huge Maura West fan, but that does not make me a Carly fan. Carly is a flawed character, but one for whom you can cheer to do better. And sometimes she does, but then that little imp inside her presents temptation and she succumbs to her old natural self. She is always able to justify her behavior in her mind, and apparently in the minds of legions of CARLY fans. I find it strange that because viewers like an actress they feel it necessary to defend the character. This is true of other characters as well, noteably Jack, Craig and Paul, and to a lesser extend Barbara and even the hated (on this board) Katie.
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I totally agree with you about Carly. Love her or hate her, she is never dull. Maura is one of the few actresses who can keep me tuning in even when I would like to smack her character. Colleen and Elizabeth draw me in that way too. I can't think of any of the male actors on the show now that I feel that way about. The great Larry B. used to have that mysterious star quality too, and while his role has become farcical, Anthony H. can still occasionally spin that magic IMHO./ Cricket
LB was indeed one of a kind ! He is surely missed !! **
Posted by: gallyn
Date posted: Sun Nov 15 21:16:38 2009
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I can see the similarities. Especially in Rosanna's and Carly's guilt over the deed. But where Holden was clearly torn (if not all that convincingly IMO) Craig was decisive, at least in dealing with Carly.
Amazing that although I loathe Craig, I still have to admit, at least he's not keeping both women on a string while he makes up his mind.
I really do think this is less about Carly's "love" being rejected, and more about feeling humiliated in the light of an affair she was the last to know about.
Posted by: BessBeau
Date posted: Sun Nov 15 20:49:24 2009
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I never felt she and Holden fell in love...more like in lust..she was in his face, rubbing up against him like a bitch in heat...I don't recall ever hearing the word *love* from either one.
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It was tit for tat--he was as interested as she was.
Absolutely...Holden was interested in one thing and it had NOTHING to do with love. **
I thought Holden and Carly grew quite fond of each other. Not *in love* but it was more than just lust. eom/D
Maybe you're right...they had a certain affection for each other, but I agree it wasn't love. **
