As The World Turns Discussion Group -- Gay on ATWT

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Topic: Gay on ATWT

Topic Posted by: noclue
Date Posted: Tue Apr 29 2:14:56 2008
Additional Comments: Why oh why is there even a gay sl in the first place? Get rid of Luke. Noah can stay as long as he goes back to being straight. He would be hot with Ameera, Sophie, or Alison. Does anbody like the gay Luke and Noah show?

Posted by: Pat
Date posted: Thu May 1 11:14:31 2008
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I only started watching ATWT because of Luke and I continue to watch because of Luke and Noah.

Posted by: sickened
Date posted: Tue Apr 29 22:58:18 2008
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I don't. It is disgusting and vile.

Posted by: Kevman
Date posted: Tue Apr 29 22:49:11 2008
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This storyline is the only reason I am watching now since every other story on her sucks. I def dont give a damn about Carly/Jack or Katie/Brad. I just hate the Ameera inclusion in this story. I would watch more if we had Lisa, Bob, Kim, Tom, Margo, and Susan in a decent story. Along with the return of John Dixon, Andy Dixon, Duncan Mckechnie, Shannon O'hara, Jessica Griffin,...oh who am I kidding this show like GL is now mainly for the dumbed down.

Posted by: The Intruder
Date posted: Tue Apr 29 14:27:49 2008
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NEWSFLASH: Noah's never been straight. Not even bi. Weren't you listening? The other day, he told Ameera that ''he'd been with a woman, and it didn't work for him.''

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You can't really listen to the writers when it comes to Noah's sexuality. They say so many conflicting things. Technically, Noah was/is bisexual or at least was just totally in the closet to himself until about a year ago. When Luke, Ameera, and Noah were driving before those guys tried to beat them up, he said he's 'never had feelings for a boy' until Luke. So he's apparently homosexual 2007-present, but what he was before then is very unclear. What the writers are is not unclear: stupid...Trip

I dunno. Noah's theatre friend in Branson, Gabe, seemed to know the score. Even the Colonel seemed to suspect that his son might be gay. That's why he rushed to Oakdale to check Maddie out for himself. It was like Noah having a girlfriend was totally un-freakin-believable to him. And recall, Winston dropped enough hints to Henry at the diner that he was afraid something was going on between Noah and Luke. That's how Henry figured out that Noah might actually be attracted to Luke and told Maddie the real-deal. Just because a sexually immature gay guy can find a girl attractive or even have sex with her out of confusion or loneliness, does not make him bisexual.

I'm not agreeing w/what Noah said. I'm just letting you know the show's apparent stance on it, or at least what they are having him recall. I think it's a load of balogna, for all the reasons you cited with his father. However, I think it would add a much more complex layer if Noah were truly bisexual, as I believe he is. I don't think the show is ready for something that complex and layered, however. They are going to want to keep it more cut and dry...Trip

Okay, Trip. And you're right. The show could say/show something conflicting tomorrow. I also agree that true bisexuality might prove to be even more of a hot potato than a gay storyline.

Noah is young. Just because he never had feelings for a boy until Luke just means that he hadn't met the right boy yet. If he was straight, he might just as easily say he never had feelings like he has for some girl. eom/D

Noah is young...but you start developing romantic and sexual feelings much younger than 19, which I believe is how old he was when he came on the show. To say he's never had feelings for a boy before then is pretty absurd, UNLESS he meant emotional feelings. Considering his backstory ala his father, however, I have a hard time believing that as well. The fact that it took so long to recognize homosexual feelings, however, just furthers my opinion that Noah is truly bisexual...Trip

Trip, I think you're confusing bisexuality with denial. The environment Noah grew up in did not allow for him to express himself. He always tried to do the right thing to please his father. The right thing was to try to be straight. To try to do what ''normal'' boys do. Anything outside the norm would be denied. In order to determine whether Noah was truly bisexual or not now you'd have to know what he fantasizes about when he's alone. People mature sexually at their own pace. I've known guys who didn't deal with their unexpressed feelings of being gay until they were in their 20s and 30s. Look at media reports about guys who have wives and kids, yet don't come out until they're in their 40s, but then identify as being gay, gay, gay - not bisexual. (Jim McGreevey would be an infamous one. He's even converted to a more accepting religion and married to a man now.)

I don't think I'm confused at all. As a young man who grew up in the Bible Belt to a very religious family and started developing homosexual feelings around 15/16 which became undeniable around 18, I think I know what I'm talking about. My boyfriend of 1 yr. (as of Mon.) would probably agree. And so would my 35-yr-old friend who less than a year ago came out to his wife, got divorced, and now lives w/his b/f. I get what it's like. ATWT, however, has not shown that they get it at all, and judging from what they've had Noah say, he himself is still not completely comfortable w/his homosexuality. THAT is what the show really should be exploring w/Luke and Noah. It's an organic obstacle--one I myself had to deal with in my first homosexual relationship--and nothing as preposterous as this Ameera greencard marriage. I stand by everything I've said--as someone who has a very similar background to Noah, I still believe ATWT has been unclear on whether he is bisexual or fully homosexual...Trip

Posted by: Tired of Gina
Date posted: Tue Apr 29 10:16:59 2008
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Except for the HUGE suprise last week with Noah and Luke kissing, there hasn't really been alot of gayness in the storyline this spring. I enjoy the characters and look forward to a better storyline this summer for they guys. (I met Van and Jake at the fan club luncheon. Really nice guys, as were all the cast members there)

Posted by: Allison
Date posted: Tue Apr 29 10:08:35 2008
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Why is there a gay storyline in the first place? Because ATWT wisely recognizes that there are gay people in the world and that MANY viewers - gay and straight - would appreciate a love story about them. Their story has definitely stalled, but last summer when the romance first began, Luke and Noah were the only reason I was tunning in.

I have great hope that people with views like yours are a dying breed. Recent studies show that even among fundamentalist Christians the younger generation is becoming much more accepting of homosexuality. Live and let live.

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There is nothing 'wise' about this storyline. Gay or straight, Nuke is a losing proposition. They haven't done a good, solid storyline w/them, it has all been about 'shock & awe' attempts. Gay or straight, this has been an insult to relationships of any kind. I'm all for depicting gay relationships being pretty much like any other, but these two haven't been well written, well developed or well acted from the start. Will & Grace did a better job showing gay relationships than this. The 'big thing' has been kissing or jumping on a bed when they DID get to be alone together! Did you notice that they had Liberty jumping on Brad & Katie's hotel bed? I guess that is what 'sophisticated' people do these days. eom

Posted by: Trip
Date posted: Tue Apr 29 10:06:56 2008
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I'm not enjoying the gay Luke and Noah show. Mainly because we're not getting anything gay. I've seen more homoeroticism on a football field.

Once Luke & Noah start kissing more than once every 6 months, then you can spew your hatred with some justification.

Posted by: noclue
Date posted: Tue Apr 29 2:16:26 2008
Message:
Also if it ok with Luke and Noah, why not Holden and Meg or Brad and Jack? You get my point?

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Your point being that homosexuality is the same as incest? The way Christianity is the same as Islam because they're both not Hinduism? Homosexuality is based on a natural inclination towards the same sex. Luke is a normal person. Noah was going against his nature with Maddie, and now has a chance to lead a fulfilling life with Luke. I suppose you want to get rid of all the real-life homosexuals too. Gay characters like Luke and Noah are necessary because of people like you. You must not be allowed to marginalize your homosexual neighbours any longer. As for incest - did you know that Holden thinks of his wife Lily's mother Iva as his sister? Or that Luke shared kisses and got naked with Jade, his mother's identical twin's daughter? Or that Faith is attracted to Parker, who has been a part of her family her whole life? Over on Guiding Light, there was a sexual relationship between first cousins, and on The Bold and the Beautiful, a man turned to the girl he thought was his daughter for the first ~5 years of her life, and his half-sister for the next ~15. Soaps have been ignoring incest issues for a long time. I wish they wouldn't touch the topic unless they want to make a statement about it.

Holden may think of Iva as his sister, but he isn't biologically related to her. He also didn't know that Iva was Lily's bio-mother until they had already started having a relationship. They aren't biologically related & they didn't grow up together, Iva left the farm when she was 13 & Holden was still very, very young. She didn't come back to Oakdale/Luthers Corners until Lily was grown. eom

I know all of the excuses, Rosebud1, but it's still incest based on the feelings involved. What kind of family unity can a man have with his sister if he is constantly divorcing and reconciling with her daughter? I don't think incest between consenting adults should be against the law, but I think it's unhealthy to create conflicting loyalties in a family where they can be avoided.

But Iva isn't seen as Lily's mother! She gave birth to her, but didn't raise her. Lily has never seen Iva as her mother, that would be Lucinda. Iva also hasn't been part of the ever-present Snyders for yrs. She is much more of a sister-in-law than a mother or mother-in-law. eom