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Topic: What's happening with Sage?

Who is waking her up, fixing her breakfast, fixing her lunch, taking her to school, picking her up from school, helping her with her homework, taking her to the orthodontist, taking her shopping for bras, fixing her dinner, and all the other things most mothers do?

Here's a scenario I'd like to see happen. Sage is being teased in school because her daddy shot and killed her uncle. She gets in a fight. The principal calls Carly's house, no answer. Then she calls the farm and gets Janet. Janet picks Sage up and takes her back to the farm.

I can just imagine the fireworks when (if) Carly finds out. I can also imagine what kind of flawed character Sage will be when she grows up.

The whole town, including Jack, will line up to tell Carly how awful she is for abandoning her children IF that is how the writers intend to play this. They did add the scene where Carly asks Parker if he can help out with Sage and she said she would have someone come and help out- for the life of me I don't remember who she mentioned.  I don't think the writers expect us to harp about about a detail like that- they wrote in that Carly had the children covered- they told us in that scene that the kids will be taken care of. They have yet to show us any problems with the arrangement.

As to the larger question, is it right for Carly to run off every few months leaving her kids in the dust? NO.  But IMO it is silly to get worked up about how soap kids are doing at any given moment because of the stories of their braindead parents- every adult in the Snyder household was in the hospital today- Who is caring for Faith, Natalie and Ethan? LOL I wonder if anyone bothers to feed them? Does anyone ever use the bathroom on soaps? Some things are happening and taken care of without the writers having to tell us about it. This time they did bother to give Carly an out. Until things start falling apart at the seams and Sage is on the phone asking her Mommy to come home and Carly can't be pulled away from Jack I am giving her a pass.

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Dandyfop, you bring up an excellent point. If the shoe had been on the other foot and Carly had gone on a soul searching journey, we'd never hear the end of Carly ''abandoning'' her kids from all of the characters and people on this board. However, now that Jack has pretty much turned tail and run, we are having this debate over...you guessed it ''Carly abandoning her kids''...NOT JACK abandoning his kids, BUT CARLY. I actually think that both Carly and Jack are lousy parents. Carly's lousy for taking off even if the kids essential needs are being met by some neighbor because she just got back from rehab and these kids missed her like crazy and Jack is a grown man behaving like a selfsh child by simply quitting his job and ''running away to join the circus''. I think that Jack is a lousy parent for quiting his job without even discussing this with his wife and taking off without a word to his kids as to where he was going and when he'd be back. Parker, Sage and JJ are going to have some real abandonment issues when they get older. eom Linny

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Posted by: Allison
Date posted: Mon Nov 16 11:07:21 2009
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Whether Sage is being adequately cared for or not, Carly should be putting her daughter's needs before her ex-husband. The woman was back, what maybe a day, after being away in rehab for months and she leaves her daughter without even a goodbye? The poor girl must have some serious trust issues after the childhood she's had. As much deserved bashing as Janet's received lately, I would like to at least acknowledge that she understands that sometimes we have to put our children first. Jack's a grown man, leaving was his own decision and IMO no one should be chasing after him.

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Right on ! Poor Sage didn't even get a good *hello* before Carly went chasing after Jaack ! **

Completely agree. /mia

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Posted by: LuciM
Date posted: Sun Nov 15 23:54:16 2009
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And how many times did we see Carly, or Lily or Emily or any of the other ATWT mothers waking the kids up, cooking breakfast, making their lunch, taking them to school and to the orthodontist, coming back home to wash the dishes, put on a load of laundry and scrub the toilets???
Sage is in the exact same place where all soap kids go when they aren't key to the particular action in a story....upstairs sleep, at the neighbors for a sleep-over, spending the night with the other parent, off to boarding school, military school, or summer camp. When Sage's presence is needed for the story, she will be seen at home with her family, or wherever the story takes place...but until then, the writers expect us to accept that Sage is being taken care of by some responsible party, which is why I for one, don't pick nits like this when soap kids temporarily disappear from my screen. I haven't seen Ethan or Natalie or even Faith in so long I forgot they were still on the show.

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Whether we see them or not, it hasn't been announced or shown that the parent left town without a backwards glance, much less without making provisions for the supervision of all the underage children, and that includes Parker.**

LOL!!! This would be an exercise in futility, so I won't even bother...eom

Hey, guess what ?I'm not alone in my opinions of the great ST. CARLY !! Everyone doesn't think everything she does is wonderful !! **

You're right, everything she does is NOT wonderful...but, on the other hand, not everything she does is sinister either...that's the part you don't seem to get, or you do get but refuse to acknowledge because of your hate for the character. Either way, it's all good. You hate Carly..GOT IT!!! No biggie, we'll all survive...eom

LuciM, so glad you got it...but just to be sure, I'll point it out whenever I want, that is, if that's OK with you ! LOL !! **

LOL!!!!!!!!

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Posted by: Gracie
Date posted: Sun Nov 15 20:28:34 2009
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Your suggestion sounds like it could provide some interesting scenes. I like the little girl who plays Sage. I hope they don't SORAS the character, but instead have her age as the actress does. It would be interesting to see her progress with the role into adulthood, as Scott DeFreitas did with Andy Dixon.

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Posted by: Bertha
Date posted: Sun Nov 15 17:31:41 2009
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Sage is probably wherever Emma is.

 I think we are too assume that everyday things are going on behind the scenes, although some are making it more sinister so they can criticize Carly.

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Bertha, I believe Carly has dumped the responsibility of looking after Sage on Parker. **

It's just at the present, there doesn't seem to be anyone there to do it, even if it is going on off screen. I'm sure Parker can do the things Sage needs for survival. But taking her to buy a bra? I don't think so./mm

Where's he getting the grocery money ? The gas money ? This is a very unrealistic sl, IMO.**

Craig gave Parker access to his trust fund money to keep quiet about seeing Craig cheating on Carly with Rosanna, so he's got plenty of money !

That decision was reversed, I believe, so, no...he does not have plenty of money. **

B.B., you believe the worst before anything happens, the way you criticized Carly for not going to rehab when she had. Don't worry, though, Jean P. is still on the writing team so you will have pleny of real material to work with.

Bertha, I have NEVER posted one thing about Carly and rehab, NEVER, so drop that...it's a total lie.**

Bertha, if you believe I have a vendetta against Carly, you are wrong. The way I see it, the Carly worshippers are blind to any failings she has. I think that even if she made proper arrangements for the care of her children, to turn those duties over to someone else after she has been gone for so long, is wrong. It would be wrong for any parent to do. I have twin granddaughters the same age as Sage and believe me they need their mother full time./mm

I could never do to my child what Carly is doing to Sage and Parker and maybe even Faith, although no one has mentioned her....I adore my husband but if the places were reversed, he'd have to suck it up and put on his big boy pants and hack it on his own !! **

mm you are soo right about the Carly worshippers...they think she can do no wrong, no matter what she does.....it's really an enigma ! No matter what choices she makes or who she hurts, they simply cannot (or won't) see it **

Well, the Carly haters are just as bad. I guess it's a credit to MW that she has created a character who inspires such passion../mm

MW is indeed a good actress...I just happen not to have any respect for any character who lies to her family and friends about a terminal illness that wasn't , simply to get another character away from his marriage !! **

Yes, that was the thing that ripped it for me, too. I don't think anything Janet has done as a mother comes close to this./mm

From one who has faced such as thhis, that sl really got to me....her character can do nothing that will ever make e like her again !! **

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Posted by: julia
Date posted: Sun Nov 15 15:02:57 2009
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I wish the writers would show Sage and include her in this storyline. How long has it been since she's been shown with either parent? Carly told Parker she was going to find someone to take care of Sage and she asked him to look out for his sister and of course, he agreed. Obviously Carly didn't ask Janet. Kids come and go so quickly in Soap World! Look at how JJ disappeared!

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Posted by: Mia
Date posted: Sun Nov 15 14:52:56 2009
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Carly told Parker to look after Sage. And why not -- he's old enough, mature enough and downright gallant when it comes to his sister.

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No 17 year old boy should be asked to look after a younger sibling...Carly thinks of one person and one person, only....and that's CARLY !! **

Excuse Me...a SEVENTEEN year old is not old enough to watch over a younger sibling? What??? When my son was 17 he was plenty old enough and mature enough to watch over his baby sister whenever necessary and did a dang good job of it, which is why she adores her big brother to pieces!!!...eom

Excuse me, but I totally disagree ! I suppose it's a judgement call, but IMO, a 17 year old is not mature enough, nor responsible enough. I would never have asked that, ever. **

I agree, Mia. He is old enough.

As I said, it's a judgement call...hindsight is 20/20....I simply chose not to do that **

i don't think it's a question of him being old enough (which i think he is) it's more a question of is it right to saddle him with the responsibility?

That, too, muffin...but IMO 17 is too young to be responsible for a sibling..we're not talking about Carly running to the grocery store...this is a big-time, serious responsibility.**

I agree with BessBeau. Unless it is an emergency, no seventeen year old should be ask to look after a younger sibling overnight, let alone a few days. What is the major worry parents have when they leave a teen home alone? They worry they will have a party, and some of them do. Also, a typical teen can spend hours on the Internet playing games oblivious to what is going on around them. IMO, Carly should have made other arrangements for Sage. She did not know how long she would be gone. /Sammie

This is yet another example of how irresponsible Carly is when there is a male involved, especially when that male is Jaaack.**

Then I guess you missed the part where Carly told Parker that she had arranged for someone (I'm assuming a responsible adult that she trusts) to come and take care of Sage. All she asked Parker to do was help. What 17 year old person would not be capable of looking out for a younger sibling with the help of a REAL babysitter in charge? I can't even believe this...eom

OK, Luci, Maybe I did miss that...who is the adult ? TIA...BB**

The adult is the same *adult* that most soap parents call upon when they need to be away from the kids but must make an obligatory explanation to the audience and to fans like you who will pick every nit possible to discredit them. How many times have we seen these one way telephone conversations between a soap parent and the off camera neighbor or friend or babysitter thanking them for agreeing to watch the kids...eom

That *adult* sure is busy, LOL./mm

I see nothing wrong with letting Parker take care of Sage .... for a short period of time that is .... like a day, maybe two, three -- tops. We have no idea what Carly has in mind - at this point neither does she - nor for how long she intends chasing after Jack across the country. I agree with Alison above, Carly should put the needs of her children first, and not those of her ex-husband's. Since Janet won't be chasing after Jack, someone from his family should ... and that responsibility would lie with Holden. If not, Jack's a big boy and can take care of himself, even in the warped frame of mind he's in. /mia

Well MANY 17 y.o. are mature enough but THIS 17 y.o. IS NOT and should never have been put in that position in the first place. He's been a troubled kid who has made some pretty rank irresponsible decisions over the past year. Just recently he allowed Craig to blackmail him with his trust fund so that he could set up irresponsible Liberty in an apartment on her own. Gallant? Heck yes! Mature and responsible...not so much. And Parker deserves better than being burdened with his troubled sister after having to deal with taking care of his troubled, alcholoic mother. Why must this kid constantly be expected to step in as the parent when Jack and Carly don't want to even bother with it? I don't like it one bit. eom Linny

Linny, as I mentioned above in this post, Carly did not leave Parker in charge of Sage. Carly called Parker on the phone and told him that she had arranged for someone to come and look after Sage while she is away and she asked Parker if he would mind *helping out*. She did not leave Parker in charge of Sage...eom

Under the circumstances, even with an invisible adult looking after them, Carly puts way too much pressure on a very troubled Parker. I am glad to see that Parker wants Carly to saveJack. I'm just not happy that Carly is taking the advce of a troubled 17 y.o. kid I agree with Edward who posted a response suggesting that Jack needs to basically put on his ''man pants'' (thanks for that BB) and deal with his grief in a more adult, responsible and constructive way. eom Linny

AGAIN, who is the adult ? Can't be Ro, not Janet, who else does Carly know ? I want to know who ths mystery adult could be ? **

Carly did mention someone else BB- I honestly don't remember who it was. It was a one-line thing. I don't believe the writers intend to portray Carly as abandoning her children in this story, much as you would like that. I don't think she has any business running after Jack and she should stay put and take care of her kids but the issue of who is caring for them was addressed./dandyfop

OK, dandyfop...I just didn't hear her say who...my bad.**

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Posted by: NOLA
Date posted: Sun Nov 15 10:41:03 2009
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What's happening with Sage?  The same thing that happens to most soap kids.  The writers only expect us to remember that they exist when they are an integral part of a storyline.  Otherwise, we're supposed to forget about them. 

For example, who's watching Eliza while Meg is traipsing all over town?  Who's taking Johnny to school, fixing his breakfast, etc.?  We see little Jacob a lot right now, but I'd lay down money that in another 6 months or so, we'll never see him either.   I didn't see Ethan & Natalie for days/weeks on end while Lily was falling apart after Holden "died"....I'd practically forgotten about those kids!  The same could be said for Will, Casey, Daniel, etc. when they were young.  It's just sloppy, lazy writing, IMO.

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Yup. Totally true. I forget about Natalie and Ethan constantly and Eliza is so MIA! The life of a soap kid...ht

Exactly!!! Yet, I have not seen a thread about who is looking after Ethan even though Lily never seems to be in the same room as him.. ever. Soaps do not address these things... children disappear because the storytelling is way more important. If you judge Carly for this you have to judge every mother in Oakdale. I really just think this is about hating on Carly any chance they can. Not saying everyone who criticizes Carly just hates her for the sake of hating her. I do understand that Carly needs to be questions or criticized at times but, I really think in this case with the kids, it is not being fair at all. eom

You are exactly right...this is not even about poor little *forgotten* Sage. This is all about hating on Carly and picking any nits necessary to make her look bad. Where was Sage when Craig and Rosanna were in Carly's house knocking boots in Carly's bed? Where was all this concern about Sage while Carly was in rehab for months and we never saw her and nobody hardly even mentioned her? *RME*

Ro and Craig didn't go out of town on a chase-trip that I kknow of..**

LOL!!! No, they didn't. They just stayed in Sage's home, carrying on an affair right under her nose, and having sex in Sage's mom's bed. Where was your outrage for poor little Sage when that was going on right under her nose? Did I miss your post about that?...eom

Personally, I've always thought Meg and Lily were lousy parents. Ethan fell into the hole of doom while Lily was getting serviced by Mike. And there have been plenty of posts about how Meg s likely to lose her kid if she continues to act like a loon, abandon that child at the first hint of Damian nookie and constantly use that kid as manbait. eom Linny

LuciM, so right you are !! Ro and Craig were in Carly's house....just like Carly was when she got drunk and slept with Mike the night before her wedding to Jaack....both couples were going at it while children were home ! WOW !! LOL !!*

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Posted by: BessBeau
Date posted: Sun Nov 15 10:17:11 2009
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What's happening with Sage ? Well, it's for damned sure Mommy Dearest doesn't give a flip ! She's chasing Jaaaack around the country with her *repaired* compass ! Whatta' loser !!

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Right you are!!!tj

Glad you can see tj...most can't (or won't)....***

I know I should ignore you but, I think this time I will bite and take the bait... ok.. you are right BB, Carly is the worse mother Oakdale has ever seen and the biggest slut ever who chases after every man in Oakdale. Carly is a pathetic, stupid character who never deserves a break and if anyone defends her, they are stupid and refuse to face the reality of the world that is ATWT. Does that about sum it up? I am not sure what your fascination is with Carly but, am I really starting to think you secretly love her. eom

Same thing that's happening to Natalie and Faith, I suppose.

MM, how wrong you are..also, for the record, I have never indicated that people who like Carly are stupid. I liked her until the time she lied to friends and family about the terminal illness that wasn't...if you've ever faced that type of thing you wouldn't have much respect for what she did, especially when she did it to come beween Jaaack and Katie.**

Sage- Its a soap, the writers make Carley look this way. Love her anyway.

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