I agree that it was the never ending, adoloscent Bridge/Tridge triangle this past summer that has caused a few viewers to tune out. I know the triangle is over but it doesn't matter if viwers have tuned out for good. There were a few threads of "I've had enough" and those posters I haven't seen since.

Also, Taylor is hardly on & some viewers watch just for her.

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Thanks for your reply! I was hoping it wasn't just me! I can remember when I couldn't wait to watch this show each day! Now it seems like a chore and I often find myself deleting it from my DVR without watching!

I agree grammy. I used to love watching this show, and I'm somewhat of a newcomer, having only watched since I retired in 2003. The show has become so tiresome and without new energy and good storylines. Too bad, because there are some pretty good actors who are being wasted with the awful writing. I also find this board filled with bitterness and hatred toward one character. No matter what she does, she's trashed. Even her offspring are trashed, merely because they're hers. Who wants to respond to such obvious and biased crap? Have a great evening grammy. I will too. cygnet

You are right cygnet,no matter what Brooke does she is trashed by some,and yes,even her offspring are trashed merely because they are hers.Brooke has done some very lowdown things,so I do understand a lot of the bitterness and hatred for this one character,but thank goodness,Brooke still has far more fans than she does detractors.Some boards are more pro-Brooke and some are more anti-Brooke.There are some boards out there where Brooke hatred is not so rampant,and in fact,are very pro-Brooke.

Look 4 topics up, what is the title?

Yes there has been trashing of Brooke, but I think that Cygnet meant Taylor NOT Brooke. Brooke's children are not bashed regularly just because theyr'e hers. However lately over and over again are 'Seffy is just like her Mom' posts. JMO

I can't see any topics at all bashing Brooke and her kids. I see several however bashing Steffy and Taylor together. This is the tone of several posts at the moment. Some other posts are almost juvenile in tone.

Oh good grief, I certainly did mean that Taylor is the one who is continuously and childishly berated by some posters on this board. FGS, she's only a fictional character!!!! As Joan Rivers would say, GROW UP !!! cygnet

Oh ok,I thought she meant Brooke since Brooke is the only character on B&B that has been trashed for years no matter what she does.Now that I know who is being posted about,I don't see why anyone would think that Steffy is being trashed because she is Taylor's offspring.It's more of a case of Steffy being trashed by some because of what Steffy has been doing and saying and how she has been acting.I also cannot figure out what you mean by ***over and over again are Steffy is just like her mom posts***.Where are all these posts you speak of?Maybe I'm not seeing them all because I only saw 2 titles anywhere that have Steffy and her mother in the same title.Maybe it's more a case of it sucking for some posters because of the shoe now being on the other foot and having Taylor and her offspring in the hot seat lately instead of Brooke and her offspring.It always stings when the character we like is showing their butt and getting called out for it.Why should Steffy and Taylor be exempt?

Could be what the poster meant, but Rick and blaming Brooke for his actions certainly has been more prominent on this board. Only just very recently has Steffy been called out, but mostly she was considered the innocent victim (just like Mom as well) when she was dating and/or kept chasing after Rick. ~tbit

There are two titles plus many inside bashing 'two for the price of one.' Where are all your 'Brooke and her kids being bashed posts' that you speak of? Certainly in the titles, I don't see any at all. It's not just those posts anyway. Read the post about Bobby Brown and Tay. That is completely juvenile. Why would you bother responding to those posts?

Oh come on now,you've been here plenty long enough to know about all the Brooke and Brooke and her kids trashing that went on for years.Take a look at the post 2 posts up where YOU even trash Katie because she,as you said***is a Hogan,nuff said***.If it's ok to trash one character because of their association or familiar ties,why would it not be ok for others to do it to other characters?Why would Taylor and Steffy be exempt?There has been so much juvenile crap said for years about Brooke.So many juvenile posts,comments,and titles about Brooke,and yet some want to cry over Steffy and Taylor getting a little of it sent their way when act up.Let's not forget the ***many,many***juvenile names that Brooke has been called for years,and yet you think what Taylor and Steffy are getting is juvenile and childish.Where was the uproar and ***GROW UP*** comments when the same was being said about Brooke or Donna or Rick or any other Logan?

It's hardly a' little of it.' If you are so outraged that posters of the past blamed Brooke for Rick's actions then why do you do it to Steffy/Taylor now? Blaming someone for their family ties is ridiculous and I had this same argument with you in another post Hibiscus. Yet you defended the right to blame Taylor for Syeffy's actions over and over. Yet it seems through the years you have been upset over Brooke being blamed for Rick. Why not stop doing the same? Why don't we blame the charcter for what they do and not family association...and yes that means Janie too! Laura

Laura,you obviously have me confused with another poster that you had ***an argument***with,and BTW,I have never ***defended the right to blame Steffy's actions over and over***,so you might try getting the poster straight before you go on the attack,especially when you say ***through the years I've been upset about Brooke being blamed for Rick,because Darlin',I haven't been posting here for years,so ya' definately have me confused with someone else.Outraged should be the word you use on someone else,someone who is telling posters to ***GROW UP***,I've never done that,so I'd hardly say that I'm outraged,that would be a word better to describe the two posters who actually seemed outraged.Try getting your facts and posters straight before climbing up on your bossy,preaching high-horse next time.

PS Laura,the poster that you had the argument with over the Steffy and Taylor subject was ***IWatchTooMuchTV***.Check 4 topics up,that's where you and IWTMTV had the ****argument**** you spoke of and blamed on me.

I mean that you were one of several posters that responed to my post. I didn't argue directly with you but you most certainly DID defend the right to blame Tay for Steffy's actions. As for how long you have posted....obviously I don't know that but you posted 'Brooke and Brooke and her kids trashing that went on for years' just above here so I naturally assumed you've been posting for years otherwise how do you know that? Finally I am neither bossy or preachy! Laura

Funny but you were happy to agree with Cygnet, Hibiscus when you thought the poster meant Brooke. It's a good point Cygnet made about the immaturity of some posts and I agree. bbfan

A simple apology from you would have been accepted,but instead you backpeddle and say***I meant*** and ***I assumed*** instead of acknowleding that you confused me with someone else***which is exactly what you did*** and were wrong.Why am I not surprised?Yep,bossy,preachy,and unable to admit wrong and apologize to a poster that you confused with someone else,wrongly accused,and made assumptions with.BTW,some people read posts without ever posting,it's called lurking,and many do it for years before they ever post and sometimes never post.It takes a big person to apologize when they're wrong,try it sometime.

What's funny about that bbfan?Posters frequently agree with other posters.They also frequently disagree with posters.That's what these boards are for.Face it,some of you just don't like it because the table has turned making Taylor and Steffy the brunt of the bashing in the last couple of months.Call it whatever you want,say whatever you want,but that's exactly what it is.Sour grapes and double standards,baby,sour grapes and double standards.So many posters never said boo when Brooke was trashed,called juvenile names,which she is still called by many,and when childish,juvenile posts and topics were made about her.The tables are turned and ya' just don't like it so ya' wanna' call it childish and juvenile when Taylor and Steffy get some their way.

This my post...' can't see anything wrong with what Steffy said at all. Jackie is a big girl for heavens sake, she can look after herself and Owen and Steffy are just friends. Steffy is her own person, continually comparing her to Taylor is ridiculous. Brooke slept with her daughter's husband...doesn't mean Bridget will do the same one day. We make our own choices in life. it's weak to blame the parents..' I specifically also pointed out that it would be ridiculous to blame Brooke for what Bridget might do.Hibiscus ....and this is one of YOUR resposes to it..................'No,Steffy,like her mother,is too low-down,sneaky and shady to actually come out and show what she's doing.She,like Taylor,would rather play the innocent ***huh,what,who little ole me???*** routine than to come out and show their true colors.At least Brooke and Donna throw their stuff right out there in the open and on the table so people know what their intentions are.Steffy and Taylor,being the wolves in sheeps clothing that they are,go around playing their fake ****doing it for friendship and because I care**** act.That's far more treacherous and deceptive.At least Brooke and Donna lay their cards on the table when they're laying their ***golden groins*** on the table.What you see is what you get with Brooke and Donna.Fake,phony,smiling in your face while stabbing you in the back treachery is what you get with Steffy and Taylor.' ...........No I did not mistake you for IWTMTV although they responed too along with other posters like I said. I don't owe you an apology at all and I did not stoop to calling you names such as 'bossy' and 'preachy.' Laura

Wrong again Laura.I did not respond to you whatsoever,I responded directly to Janie and her posting and to bbfan and her posting.You know darn well that it was you and IWatchTooMuchTV that you said you **had the same argument with**.Go back and look at the whole post again,you posted,IWTMTV responded,and then you and she went back and forth.I responded later and it was directly to Janie and bbfan.You're wrong and you know you are.Instead of cutting,copying,and pasting bits and pieces from the whole topic in an attempt to cover your mistake,you could just be big enough to own up,admit it and move on.I know you won't though.C'est la vie!

I'm talking about the WHOLE topic not just individual responses. That whole thread was started by me and many posters including Janie, IWTMTV and you responded. Laura

No Hibiscus it's not 'sour grapes' or 'double standards.' Cygnet made a comment about a few juvenile posts that's all. No-one is defending juvenile comments about Brooke either and yes she has had plenty of fans defending her over the years. bbfan

Good grief ..there are heaps of posts using Steffy to bash her Mom. OTOH there are zero that blame Brooke for the behavior of Rick & Bridget. It is futile to blame posters of today for posts years ago ...most probably didn't even post then so it's no double standard. Amie

Why does it matter who the comments were made in response to, they're still the same thoughts regardless. ~i&b

It matters in this case i&b,because Laura came out and specifically said that she and I had an argument when we,in absolutely no terms,did any such thing.The so called **argument** was between she and another poster.Had Laura never openend up her mouth and said such a thing,it wouldn't have mattered.Had she not said she and I had an argument,it wouldn't have mattered,but she did,which means she lied and accused me of something I did not say and did not do.It's called lying and I don't like being lied on and wrongly accused.That's why it matters,i&b.

Yes bbfan,it is double standards and sour grapes.Cygnet and Janie both made their **juvenile** and **childish** comments because they are po'd that Steffy and Taylor are on the receiving end of some slamming these days.Neither of those two posters,ever and I mean ever,said word one or made any such comments about people being **juvenile** or **childish** when the shoes were on the other feet,when Brooke,Rick,or Bridget were getting it laid hard and heavy on them.And it was not long ago that they were.And btw,there's a difference between defending a character one likes and coming out and telling people to **GROW UP** because they are criticizing and trashing one's favorite character.Just about all of our favorites get trashed at some point,it's part of soap operas.The difference is,some posters like dishing it out when the person they hate is getting trashed,but absolutely cannot tolerate it one bit when their fav gets some trashing.Double standards and sour grapes is what I call it,but you call it whatever you want.

You call a poster 'preachy' and 'bossy' and then spend your posts telling people not to have 'double standards.' Maybe Brooke, Rick and Budge have been criticised but that is NOT the point. The point is blaming Taylor for what Steffy does. Brooke gets bashed for what she does ...NOT what Rick or Budge do. There are several posts doing that. There are NO posts bashing Brooke for the actions of her son or daughter. I'm a new pioster so I can't comment on posts of the past just what's out there now. bbfan

Hibiscus you did respond to my post although it's true that I had direct words with IWTMTV rather than you. I certainly did not mean to 'lie' about it as you were one of the posters. However in the spirit of peace and harmony on this board I will say sorry. Now perhaps you could do the same for those bossy and preachy comments you made! Laura

bbfan,I didn't call a poster **preachy** or **bossy**,I told her to get her facts and posters straight before climbing up on her bossy,preaching high-horse next time,and that was said to Laura because she was absolutely incorrect in saying it was me that was in an**argument** with her over the same topic.Again,the poster she had me confused with was IWTMTV.So yes,of course,I am not going to take someone giving me suggestions of how and what I should post when she didn't even have the right poster.

Laura,I accept your apology and in the spirit of peace and harmony on this board,I will say sorry.

I didn't call a poster **preachy** or **bossy**,I told her to get her facts and posters straight before climbing up on her bossy,preaching high-horse next time. Okay, big difference there. LOL! ~i&b

EXACTLY, i&b. This is hilarious !! cygnet

Yes,actually there is a difference,or at least to me there is.Had I told Laura she was preachy or bossy,I would have meant that she was preachy and bossy,in general.That is NOT what transpired and not what was said.What I told her was a direct response to what she said to me and in regards to issue and topic that was being discussed.But i&b and cygnet,you go ahead and call it what you want and **lol** all you want because I know EXACTLY what I wrote and EXACTLY what I meant.

HIBISCUS, you are fighting a losing battle against the major hypocrites on this board! They spend nearly every waking moment posting post after post, bashing Brooke AND her kids and blaming Brooke for everything under the sun. Yet, when anyone brings up skanky Taylor and her skanky (and criminal, I might add) kids, all of a sudden it's ''childish bashing of a fictional character''. LOL! It's the most laughable thing EVER! I don't take one word that any of these hypocrites say seriously because they talk out of both sides of their necks. They HATE to see fictional Taylor or her brood bashed, but they LOVE to bash fictional Brooke and her kids. GMAFB!

Oh, and yeah, Laura, it was ME you were running your mouth with in another thread and here you are, running your mouth again about something you know NOTHING about? You don't know what the hell I have done ''through the years''. You don't even friggin know me. Taylor AND her skanky kids are fictional characters and if I see a reason to bash them, I will do so with pleasure...and if I see one of her skanky kids following in her footsteps, I'll call that out, too.

Yeah and guess what IWTMTV ...I'll run my friggin mouth off when ever I choose on this board as is my right. Cheers to ya love!!! and kisses too darlin. And too my dear friend Hibiscus...thanks for your apology darlin! Laura

Read again...Laura was talking to Hibiscus not you about 'the years.' You have come into an argument that you have no idea about.

PS: you said that we all love to bash Brooke and her kids.Where are these posts you know so much about???

I know EXACTLY what I'm talking about! Laura said that to HIBISCUS because she confused her for me! Don't tell me I don't know what the hell I'm talking about....you jumped into this discussion for the sole purpose of telling HIBISCUS that she was wrong and that someone else was right. And all you have to do is LOOK on the board for posts bashing and trashing Brooke and her kids....I'm not your seeing eye dog. If you want to find them, look for damn yourself.

Oh, we all know that you will run your mouth off, Laura, even when what you say is a crock of horse$hit (which most of it is). Never fear! When you run your mouth off about MOI, I'll be right here to set you straight.

No IWTMTV, bbfan was correct. The comment about 'the years' was made in direct response to Hibiscus's comment and I quote ' trashing that went on for years.' It had absolutely NOTHING to do with you and our 'argument' earlier about Steffy. And yes I have looked for the posts that bash Brooke for the behavior of Rick and Budge and surprise...surprise...they don't exist! Therefore not one poster here who criticised posts bashing Taylor for Steffy's behavior is a hypocrite. I don't resort to bashing a poster with words such as horsesh*t though, That is your style because you have not one single post to back up what you say. Laura

oh and further more...I wait for another reply with abusive words such as 'horsesh*t' rather than any substance because that is ALL you have and I'll be right here to set you straight because honey...you don't intimidate me!

WRONG...again...Miss Hypocrite! Your comment was ''through the years you've been upset over Brooke being blamed for Rick''. You were addressing ME, sister, not HIBISCUS, and she had to set you straight. She also told you, as I did, that you didn't know what the hell you were talking about because you have not KNOWN me (or her) ''through the years''. But, I know who you are! You have posted so much baloney about Brooke and her entire family THROUGH THE YEARS, and then you holler ''foul'' when someone does the same to your precious Taylor. TOUGH NOOGIES! Deal with it....or leave. I most certainly am not going to stop stating my opinion about that skank a$$ Taylor or her well-taught kid, Steffy (or her criminal son, Thomas). And, the more you try to force people (especially myself) to NOT do it, the more it will be done. TAYLOR AND HER KIDS ARE NOT REAL PEOPLE. You may need to look in the mirror and say that to yourself a few times before reading the board. Oh, and you can kill that ''I can't find any posts bashing Brooke'''spiel. You know full well that posts roll off this board as new ones are posted. HOWEVER, there ARE Brooke-bashing posts on this board RIGHT NOW!! So, that sorry excuse ain't gonna fly. As for intimidation....LOL! Baby, if you think for one second that you scare me, you've got more serious problems that I already knew you to have. Bring it on, dearie. I'm free tonight and can roll with you as long as you want!!

P.S. When you're ready to spew more horse$hit, I'll be here to reply!!

I don't need you to tell me what I meant. I was specifically addressing Hibiscus. What an ego you have thinking everything is about YOU! As usual another rude, abusive post!

further more I haver NEVER bashed Brooke for the behavior of Rick and Budge (who I happen to like anyway). My topics about Brooke relate to HER bahavior. Again you presume to tell me about my own posts.

And I say you're a liar, Laura. I can read. I can comprehend. You even admitted you had confused HIBISCUS with me! You were addressing that bunch of bull to me and it was nonsensical seeing as how you don't know what anyone on this board has done ''through the years''. And, you're also not telling the truth about your bashing of Brooke. Your posts may not be here right now, but they sure have been in the past! I don't care what you think of me OR my posts....you went on my ''list'' when you proceeded to dictate to me what I should or should not post where Steffy and Taylor are concerned. You don't tell me what to post about those fictional characters or any other ones. If you don't like my posts about Taylor/Steffy/Any Other Character, then don't read them!

WRONG again ...I can quote at least two times that HIBISCUS NOT YOU...said these comments...Brooke is the only character on B&B that has been trashed for years no matter what she does.' and again 'juvenile crap said for years about Brooke' and my response was ' Yet it seems through the years you have been upset over Brooke being blamed for Rick?' This was directly to Hibiscus for HER comments. My apology related to the word 'argument' that she used in relation to our discussion under another post. You have misunderstood completely ...I most certainly WAS addressing Hibiscus and not you about HER comments in THIS post...not yours elsewhere. And again using the word 'liar' is a bash which is actually against the board rules as you well know. Laura

Oh, good lord, what a crock! A poster in this thread described you to a tee....preachy, bossy and never willing to admit when you're WRONG! You were posting TO ME when you posted what you did, still complaining over Taylor being blamed for Steffy's behavior. And, btw, a liar is a liar. That's just a fact, not a bash. Tee hee

IWTMTV your comment 'They spend nearly every waking moment posting post after post, bashing Brooke AND her kids and blaming Brooke for everything under the sun.' WRONG. I am a new poster here and I have never bashed Brooke because I happen to be a fan. bbfan

If you're a new poster here, bbfan, and are a Brooke fan then how exactly does my post affect you?????

Because I am one of the posters here that was being referred to along with the others.

Furthermore, bbfan, I don't need you mediating my posts or what I post.

No but you're more than happy to do that to other posters such as telling them what they mean. You make a lot of assumtions and in my case it's wrong. I happen to like Brooke and I don't bash her or her kids. bbfan

I KNOW what they mean when they're referring to me! So, you can butt out, dearie, because your interjection is neither needed nor warranted. You jumped into this entire discusssion to defend Laura against HIBISCUS in a situation that had NOTHING to do with you. Nine times out of ten, you're not a new poster, anyway!

And, I don't care who you bash or like or are a fan of. It makes no difference to me one way or another. I don't give a damn about any fictional characters getting bashed because, unlike you and some others, I tend to remember that THEY ARE ALL FICTIONAL CHARACTERS ON A SOAP OPERA!!

'I don't need you mediating my posts or what I post...' Your comment to the other poster...I toss it right back at ya. I don't need a preachy, bossy poster like you telling me what I mean when it's a load of 'crock.'

Oh, so you decided to change back to your other identity? LOL! It IS a load off crock, dear. Sorry!

Oh, and don't even try using the ''preacy, bossy'' labels on me. Those have been rightfully given to YOU, hun. ;-) Rest assured, baby, when your posts are directed at ME, I will ALWAYS set you straight. Period.

Because we are posting at the same time doesn't make me the other poster. Just like I'm not YOU tee hee. Perhaps you also think I'm i&b and cygnet???

Oh maybe your other identity is hibiscus since you defend them and know so much about they're posts. And my dear you most certainly ARE bossy when you tell another poster to 'butt out.'

You run around the board chastising anyone who bashes Taylor or her ilk and calling people immature for blaming Taylor for Skanffy's actions and you have the audacity to call ANYONE ELSE bossy? BWAHAHAHA!!!!!

Oh, and baby, wish with all your might but you could NEVER be woman enough to be me! NEVA!!

Honestly I don't know what your last comment meant, but whatever. I'm not gonna post all night backwards and forwards, what is the point? I'll agree to disagree and I'm taking your one piece of excellent advice....IGNORING YOUR POSTS. So that's it from me honey....adieu.

No IWTMTV I'm not Laura or for that matter cygnet, i&b or anyone else that posts here. Like I said I'm new to the board. But it has been fun 'chatting' with you. bbfan

YIPPEE!!!! Finally, Laura...you get it!!!

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