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Topic: HOW WOULD YOU FEEL IF YOU WERE KATIE?


Topic Posted by: Janie
Date Posted: Mon May 5 16:19:13 2008
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As I've watched this sl play out, I began wondering how I would feel if I were in the same situation as Katie so I wondered how some of the rest of you might feel?  Would you agree with her that what Storm did was wrong and not fight to live (before he spoke to you from the great beyond) or would you be really grateful and fight to live?

As I believe that one can never be sure how one would act or feel until in the actual situation, however I do think that I would do the right thing and be grateful for the chance to live with my brother's heart.  I think that suicide is wrong but Storm did it for a good reason. 

Besides that, a transplant heart is not all that easy to come by and Katie should be grateful that she was the recipient of one.  I seen many patients kept alive with meds, O2, etc in the CCU waiting for a heart and then at times bumped back on the wait list as a more critical patient came along who needed the heart to keep from dying.  Be thankful for what you have received, Katie.  But then, I sometimes forget that she is a Logan and that family's reasoning is not always, if ever, rational. 





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Posted by: Pepperbeech
Date posted: Tue May 6 19:00:42 2008
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I would feel like she does, like it was my fault he was dead.  Suicide is a touchy subject.  I wouldn't use the word cowardly b/c some people have faced some horrific things...however, facing your problems and getting help is very brave to me, to make a long story short... my dad got the the wrong stuff for a gas stove when he was 8, the house blew up, his five year old sister died, and back then (1960) tkids didn't get help for that, not only that, my grandparents lost another son and have a mentally challenged son that my gram takes care of he's 44, she's 75, my grandpa died last year.   To me....The three of them are heros, they realized, what they have to live for out weights he awful things that happened. 

I don't think storm was really thinking how katie would feel, that is an awful feeling for Katie to carry. 


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Posted by: molsongrrrl
Date posted: Tue May 6 13:54:34 2008
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my step brother killed himself. he was paranoid schizophrenic and heard voices in his head. when he was off his pills - he thought people were following him - out to get him. at one time, he thought people were staring at his back - he wanted doctors to operate on it - though there was absolutely nothing wrong. he started carrying a gun around because of the people he thought were after him. he never harmed anyone - but my step dad was worried he might. there was no way to force him to take his meds - no way to commit him when he hadn't done anything wrong. he didn't like the pills because they made him feel sluggish and out of it. in the end, he jumped off a bridge on a sunday morning and that was it. he wrote notes basically saying he couldn't listen to the voices anymore.

I never think of suicide as a heroic act - it leaves behind a lot of pain for those who go on living. in my step brother's case - he needed to be free of his pain and did the only thing he thought he could. but my family would rather he had taken his meds and still been with us.

storm took the easy way out of his troubles and he never ever faced any consequences for his actions (shooting stephanie). certainly, his heart saved katie's life but she is bound to suffer from survivor's guilt. much less all of the medical issues she will have to face for the rest of her life (or whenever the writers need a sweeps month storyline).

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  • I am sorry about your step brother, but on another note, as you and many often say about suicide being the easy way or the cowardly way out, I just do not see that...I am terrified of the notion of death and am a coward about facing it down. So is it cowardly to live too, if you are just too scared to die? I guess what I'm saying is, I don't think it's about cowardice or taking the easy way out...I think it is way more messed up than that. -Beezil
  • i guess people say suicide is cowardly and the easy way out because the person who commits the act is avoiding real life. my step brother didn't want to take his meds which stopped the voices. so instead of facing that reality - he took what he perceived as an easier way. storm would have been facng a lot of legal issues over stephanie's shooting and katie's death. so what is easier than not facing that reality? avoiding it. which is what he did.
  • mg, I am very sorry for the suicide in your family and I hear where you are coming from. Many families have experienced a suicide in them and I suppose that a number of other posters on the board have experienced it as well. We have experienced two in our family many years ago so its not fresh and we have all dealt with it. My prayer is that God will forgive those who take their own lives because as you have pointed out they are sick. Mental illness is just as bad an legitimate as physical illness. This sl is riveting to me and many and hits home for a lot of us. We all have our own personal feeling r/t it and we have the right to own these feelings. Storm is a real enigma to me. He was evil to shoot Stephanie and also quite disturbed but what he did doesn't make it ok by social standards. Oh, whatever, I can't seem to find a concluding thought here so I'll just quit. J.

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    Posted by: fee
    Date posted: Mon May 5 22:37:10 2008
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    Janie, I have no clue how I would feel.  I usually am able to put myself in someone else's place, but I just can't do it with this.  I just can't even imagine what it would be like to have someone you love kill themselves so you could have their heart.   The one thing I DO know, is it would make me love them more than I ever thought possible. 

    I can also see why she feels he abandoned them.  And her statement about him leaving them to hell may be very true.  I feel for the whole family.  (Except for Brooke.  I just can't feel for Brooke.) 


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    Posted by: mo
    Date posted: Mon May 5 21:47:04 2008
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    I would feel totally guilty like I was to blame for Storm committing suicide.  The reason Katie got shot is because she was trying to grab the gun from Storm.  Even though she had a valid reason to do that, if that happened to me, once I found out that Storm was not trying to hurt Ashley I would blame myself.  I would never ever be able to live with myself under these circumstances.

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  • ITA, mo! I think that I'd feel the same way.

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    Posted by: joeyaa
    Date posted: Mon May 5 21:37:23 2008
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    I would hate Storm and blame him for everything, but I would fight on since I wouldn't want to die, but I could never see him the same way again, my opinion of him would be forever changed, and it wouldn't be some great sacrafice, I would see it as the downward spiral of my brother's mentality.

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  • My sentiments, exactly!

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    Posted by: serialmom
    Date posted: Mon May 5 18:50:52 2008
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    If I were in her position I would be thinking how he changed my life.  I walked in a totally healthy young woman and saw my brother, who already shot one woman now holding a gun on another (or so it seemed)  I was trying to save him from himself and look what I got for it.  A life altering operation and a family tragedy.  Under those circumstances I my act was heroic. Storm's act was out of guilt.

     


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    Posted by: Edward
    Date posted: Mon May 5 17:24:25 2008
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     I would be confused and angry. It all goes back to how her family treated her immediately after surgery. I would feel all alone because I couldn't trust anybody in my family. Her family has made it nearly impossible for her to have a positive recovery. I'd want them barred from my room, and then maybe I could start resting, thinking straight and concentrating on recovering. I wouldn't want to hear anymore about hero or sacrifice. I would yell at the top of my lungs GET OUT, STOP HURTING ME, GET OUT, LEAVE ME ALONE, GET OUT, SHUT UP, STOP TALKING TO ME, GO AWAY, DON'T COME BACK, I HATE YOU! And if that didn't work, I'd throw stuff at them. Yeah, that's how angry I'd be.


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    Posted by: Beezil
    Date posted: Mon May 5 16:32:51 2008
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    Well, IMO, she's physically and emotionally shocked. It's not like a person can go through major life-altering emergency surgery and expect to just wake up and be excited for the future.  The patients you describe KNOW they need a heart transplant.  Katie lost her healthy heart completely unexpectedly; to go from a healthy heart to needing major meds for the rest of your likely short life has to be a huge blow.  Her quality of life (if this storyline is depicted accurately) is now seriously affected to the NEGATIVE.  I know everyone always likes to smile and feel warm about organ transplants, but they are NOT easy to live with; it's a lifelong battle to fight rejection and failure.  I knew a woman who had a kidney transplant, and she used to line up her endless array of drugs she had to take throughout the day, every day, forever.  She also told me that transplanted organs are automatically considered to be failing; the best that can be done is to keep them going as long as possible.  It was a daily physical and emotional struggle for her, and she KNEW ahead of time she needed the transplant; it wasn't an unexpected emergency situation.  Imagine having healthy, functioning organs and then hours later suddenly requiring a foreign transplant.  What an emotional blow that must be!

    And at that, with this story we're talking a HEART.  Every beat could easily be its last, even more so than one's natural born heart.  But again, why not at least give her some time to adjust to the situation?  No one lets anyone just BE anymore; there is a time to every emotion, IMO Katie's are completely appropriate.  Did anyone tell Brooke to snap out of her rape the day after?  In a way, Katie's body, her heart (both figurative and literally) was raped as well.  I think she's allowed some anger at being dealt this horrible hand, at least initially, before she thanks anyone for having to face a severely abbreviated lifestyle after living fully until that one unfortunate moment. 

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  • A friend I knew in high school had a heart transplant in his later years. I know just what you mean. It not like the life you had. I recently found out he had a stroke a few years later. I'm sure they are always in danger of rejecting it. //serialmom

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