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Topic: Does life reflect art, or art affect life?


Topic Posted by: Hyacinthe
Date Posted: Sat Jun 14 9:12:05 2008
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Lots of ppl on this show bedding each other without marriage, or trying to.  NuJohn is technically married, but Ava wants to jump his bones.  Even with Marlena leaving the mansion, she is still his wife (but is he legally dead?).  Stephanie:  seems such a waste to climb in the sack with Max, niece-or-not-niece; not that I think they are marriage material or mature enough for that.  Then there was Chelsea hitting up Dr. Dan, and then the new-female-Doc surprising him in the break room.  Look at the recent Colleen-Santo story -- another case of unmarried sex and the resulting baby John.  Don't forget Nick with Billie, when he cheated on Chelsea.  Then there's the Sami/EJ/Lucas fiasco.  Once upon a time, when Mickey Horton was married to Laura, he found out that their son Mike was actually the son of Mickey's brother Bill Horton.

Does art reflect life?  Do they write this show because ppl out in real life act this way?  I still think marriage is good, especially with the supposedly Catholic/Christian background of many of the characters.  They like to go to the chapel to pray during medical crises, and they pray during the funerals.  Give them a chance to jump in the sack with unmarried partners then they are gung-ho and let's-go-right-now, and their religion disappears.

Does life reflect art?  (Yes, this show is TV/performing art.).  Do these characters have a real impact on the viewers?  Does this tell the public to go out and bam-bam anybody you want?  What about the illegitimate pregnancies and who's-the-daddy stories?  Will Nicole have a baby with EJ?  Will Ava give in to NuJohn?  Can he even make a baby, LOL?  Maybe he will get a Viagra prescription.  Is it any wonder that this show has slipped down so far in the ratings?

I have watched Days for a long time, with some years off for business and schooling.  I still like this show.  I do not wish to offend any other posters, so I ask your forgiveness for my rant.

I see that Doug and Julie are coming back in early July.  Other married couples are Mickey and Maggie, Steve and Kayla and Bo and Hope.  Even with all their problems, they still seem to be the bedrocks of the show.  Look at Caroline and Shawn Sr.  Everybody came to them for advice.  They had a marriage that endured to the end.  Same for Alice and Tom Horton.  Let's see some more weddings.  Hope that's a good idea.  I like my thoughts on this, naturally, but I know that some posters may not agree.

 





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Posted by: basil512
Date posted: Mon Jun 16 18:23:33 2008
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Weddings are not the answer.  Wether or not these people are married won't change their behavior.  Soap operas in general are driven by lust, that is one thing that makes them an appealing fantasy.  There is no reason to take it seriously.  The thing that ANNOYS the heck out of me though is that no one ever takes responsibility for their own actions.  EXCUSES, EXCUSES, EXCUSES.  Like the Sami, EJ, Lucas thing (and a million other SL's), it is ALWAYS somebody elses fault.  I was brainwashed, I thought you didn't love me anymore---What a crock, confess and move on.

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Posted by: jacs
Date posted: Sat Jun 14 20:13:20 2008
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IMHO, sex has become a recreational activity, like volleyball and poker.  There is nothing resembling love, or commitment, attached to it.  Check out the internet, type in college parties, and see how sex is being used by our youth in America these days.  My God, they have sex anywhere, with anyone, and on video!  It is repulsive!  Days is like Rebecca of Sunnybrook Farm compared to the harsh reality of sex in our culture today!  That is why as a single woman of 50, I don't even care to date, it is just too complicated today! 

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Posted by: thedabera
Date posted: Sat Jun 14 14:27:36 2008
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I suppose it's realistic about sex, at least LOL. Last time I checked you couldn't suck anyone's memories out of their heads and put them on a CD.

Hey! Once Philip finds out what that is, he should burn copies and sell them so that anyone could become old John.

But I digress...

The three things I found pretty awful and unrealistic:

Sami sleeping with someone who raped her. (sorry EJ 'get over it' fans, I just don't think it's realistic to sleep with someone who raped you, even if you've forgiven them. What are you going to be thinking about during sex? How great it was last time?)

What a big slut Stephanie was last summer and her parents just sort of going along with it. I get that sometimes young women behave that way. I can't see Steve and Kayla being so nice about it.

And this one REALLY got me. Remember the day Chelsea was asking Victor and Caroline about their affair while the three of them were in the park together. After you find out that an affair happened, no kid wants to listen with rapt and grinning attention, as Chelsea did, to the knitty gritty of your grandparents sexual exploits. Nobody.

Actually there is one more thing:

I also find it unrealistic that Dr. Dan finds Chelsea attractive. I'm not just talking about looks. I'm talking about the whole package. If I were Dr. Dan and I even thought I had a crush on her, I would have been totally over it when she started in on me about not knowing what was wrong with her grandmother and her immature tirades about it. What an big baby idiot. Kiss her? I'd want to knock her upside the head.

whew....that felt good.

Thanks.

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Posted by: Sarah
Date posted: Sat Jun 14 11:36:08 2008
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If the only sex we ever saw on Days was between married couples, it would be completely unrealistic. I'm married and in my early 30s. I don't know ANYONE that did not have sex before they got married, whether it was with the person they married or not. I also know many couples who lived together prior to getting married. 

I think we just need a healthy balance on Days. I enjoy seeing many of the married couples still having fun in the bedroom and I don't mind seeing non-married couples sometimes. My only issue would be if they showed high school aged couples having sex. Even though many, maybe even most high schoolers are sexually active, I just don't want to see it on my TV. JMO


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Posted by: Hyacinthe
Date posted: Sat Jun 14 11:19:39 2008
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I think NuJohn is the one who wanted to jump Ava's bones (I missed a couple of days this week, so I am not sure).

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Posted by: Rosebud1
Date posted: Sat Jun 14 11:07:01 2008
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Both are true.  Statistically over 70% of married people cheat at some time in a marriage.  Over 50% of marriages (particularly second marriages) are ending in divorce.  I don't think that the stats are this way because soaps exist--some people think so.  Cheating & lying existed long before soap operas did.  Operas, plays, etc. were based on this as far back as oral history!

Temptation has also always existed, IRL & in stories.  What I originally loved about soaps was seeing people have human failings & overcoming challenges.  I loved seeing intelligent characters in those situations & how they overcame them.  That is happening less & less.  At least when characters were intelligently written, there was some respect for established history &, for a little while, characters learned from their mistakes.  Now, sadly, most soaps don't think that the audience recalls things from a couple of episodes ago, much less decades ago, & routinely goes against established history, weakening the integrity of the shows & the characters fans have emotionally invested in, sometimes for decades!

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  • Thank you for your insights. eom. Hyacinthe.

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