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Topic: Drewski's Dr. Appt. - Vaccinations - Little Anxious


Topic Posted by: kitty
Date Posted: Fri May 2 11:09:14 2008
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Hello!

Andrew has a check up tomorrow with vaccinations.  All this talk about vaccinations & autism has me a little worried.  I know he needs them and chances are he will be fine.  But, what if shots has something to do with Autism?

What do you think?

Otherwise Andrew is a healthy, happy boy!

Wish us well tomorrow & tell me to relax.

Poor Drewski 

Thanks!





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Posted by: cc
Date posted: Sat May 3 1:17:56 2008
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Good luck kitty, & try not to worry.  It's hard with all the info that is out there.  I do believe in the long run, the kids are better off having the vaccine than getting the diseases.  I agree with Emmy that there are a very small number of issues that arise as a result of vaccines & those likely have something else involved.  She said it much better than I! 

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Posted by: DENIM
Date posted: Sat May 3 0:14:02 2008
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I have no advice.  But I do know that Calico has been told to keep her kids out of town as much as possible.  So far, there have been three kids that have been diagnosed with measles, though they have had the shots.  They  were not nearly as ill as if they had not had the shots.  Measles are really on the rise for some reason.

Pray about it, commit him to the Lord's hands and do as He leads you.


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Posted by: Mandy
Date posted: Fri May 2 23:29:55 2008
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Relax!

I still get teary eyed when my little guy gets shots (he just turned 6).  Last year when he was 5, he was so determined to be a "big boy" that he didn't cry until it was all over.  Seeing him hold back tears during 3 shots did me in!

But, as a pediatric nurse, believe me my kids get their shots.  I've seen what happens when they don't :(.  I have no idea if there is an autism link, or what really causes autism (my hunch is there is not just one cause), but I know for a FACT the diseases they guard against maim, cripple and kill children.


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Posted by: emmy
Date posted: Fri May 2 18:26:05 2008
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Hey. Stop worrying.

Everyone swears that the 18 month shots have something to do with autism. Because a lot of autistic kids coincidentally regress at that same point in life.  But I think it has something to do with the timing of the development of different parts of the brain.... or something.  Not vaccinations.

Let me tell you, briefly, what the deal was with my boys.  William received shots up until four months of age (so newborn, two months, and four months). No MMR.  We moved when he was a baby, to a different state, and his shot records got lost.  It took forever to finally track them down.  By the time he got his next shots, he was already diagnosed with autism.  He showed signs as a BABY.  When he was just a couple months old I knew he was different somehow.  My mom even noticed it, so I'm not crazy. His development of autism was just that he never babbbled as a baby, never cooed, didn't look people in the eye, and had all kinds of ritualistic preoccupations.  Like when he was ten months old, we were sitting in a restaurant and he was eating fries.  My mom started laughing because he had this huge long ritual he had to go through before he'd eat each fry.  He lined them up, then he'd pull one out of the line, spin it around on the table for a while, put it back in the line, look at it for a minute, then eat it.  He did this with each fry.  At six months he was already preoccupied with spinning things obsessively.  There was other stuff, but suffice to say he was born with autism.

Cameron was one of those who had "regressive autism".  Meaning at 18 months he suddenly stopped speaking, started toe walking, flapping his hands, and basically just went into his own little world.  Previously he had been a very, VERY fussy baby due to reflux issues (we'll never know if that's related), but he had been talking and did NOT seem autistic.  We thought he was fine.  But when he regressed we knew immediately what it was, because William had just been diagnosed and we knew what to look for. So apparently there are types of autism that start very, very early.  And then there's the regressive type like Cameron has.

But here's the thing.  Because William was being diagnosed, and because I was getting all this information to sort through, we DID NOT VACCINATE Cameron.  He did not receive the 18 month MMR, nor any other shots past two or four months. But he developed autism anyway when he was 18 months.

So please don't worry about the vaccinations.  But space them out if it makes you feel better. I certainly don't think that's a bad idea.

I want to tell my story as often as possible, because I'm tired of this idea being perpetuated in the media.  There is actually a very TINY number of kids who may have been harmed by vaccines, but I think it has something to do with an underlying disorder.  My neighbor's son is one of those kids, actually.  His vaccinations kicked off seizures which caused brain damage.  He clearly has a different type of autism from my boys.  But the majority of cases are NOT caused by vaccines, IMO.  In the meantime, parents are being sold on these "cures". And guess what. I know kids who are doing these things and they are not better off. Some of them have BAD medical problems due to their "treatment".  Kids have died from chelation, too.  I'd rather have my healthy autistic boys than a dead "cured" child.

I'm not ranting at you.  You are right to be concerned, since Jenny McCarthy and the media are playing this thing to death. Any parent would hear that and be concerned. I just went off on a tangent. LOL

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  • Wow Emmy I have even more respect for you now. You are obviously using your own judgement and common sense, and not being swayed by the media blitz surrounding autism. Good for you, and keep telling your story. Kids die from the diseases the immunizations prevent. I'm in no way saying immunizations are without any risks, but parents are so afraid right now they don't know what to do...Mandy
  • Emmy, is it ok if I copy your message to pass on whenever this question comes up in other places? -- Traci
  • Emmy, what you say rings very true to me. I had a nephew with CP. Nothing was ever certain, but at one point, one guy who went through his records pointed out that the initial seizure that started everything came shortly after vaccines. He was probably part of that small group that was prone to seizure activity, but not much chance you could know that at several months of age. cc

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    Posted by: bella tx
    Date posted: Fri May 2 15:23:08 2008
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    Assuming you are talking about the MMR, right?

    I'm sorry that you are anxious, Kitty.  I can totally understand & wish I could tell you to relax, but I had the same concerns. 

    I'll take the flip side of the responses (and the very unpopular view) and tell you that if it is more than just being anxious and you are really concerned, then to just hold off on the shot(s).  A week or so won't do anything except buy you peace of mind. 

    The night before Colin's big MMR day (in addition to the fact that he was also supposed to have the Chicken Pox and the Flu Shot at the same time) I decided two things: 

    1. The MMR would be delayed and broken up into three shots administered months apart. 
    2. I would never do more than one shot at a time.  My reasoning wasn't so much for the whole autism concern...but rather just b/c it made more sense to me.

    That was my choice, not telling you what to do as this is just what we did so take it for what it's worth.  Also note that at that point Colin was not in a daycare setting, never around other kids, etc. so we knew his potential for being exposed was minimal.  As I have said before, each child, each situation is different.

    I know the Pediatricians can be most persuasive...mine surely is...and with great cause.  He was shocked when I told him my decision at the year appointment.  I look back and don't regret my decision.  I wish you peace w/ your decision, lol...how's that?

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  • Thanks bella tx! Yes, I am concerned. I can't put it off any longer. He is way past due. He hasn't had his 1-year shots & is not 18 months. I am however going to ask the dr. to break them up. I don't want them all at one. kitty
  • Kitty, it is hard to find doctors that will break up the MMR, but they are out there. My Pedi won't do it. But, we did find a few doctors in the city that would. Oh, the other thing that I didn't like is that b/c he was delayed on his year shots, they tried to cram in a bunch of shots ALL in one day to make up for the delay at his 18 month visit. Sort of defeats the whole purpose, lol. Good for you for questioning things! bella tx
  • I do think it could be too much for their immune systems, and breaking up the shots is not a bad idea. eom emmy

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    Posted by: Fay
    Date posted: Fri May 2 15:11:34 2008
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    I am sure your little one will do just fine.  I made sure my daughter had them all, hepititis, chicken pox, meningitis.  She did fine and was/is an exceptional student.  She's never had a grade lower than a A in her life and she's in her 3rd year of PhD studies.  No effect from ANY vaccines other than to protect her and keep her healthy.

     

    Good Luck!

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  • Thanks Fay! kitty

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    Posted by: Bonk5
    Date posted: Fri May 2 13:40:49 2008
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    I want to know how you got a Dr. to come in on  a Sat.?? wow! LOL

    Please get the vaccines, you can also split up the MMR if that worries you.

    Measles are on the rise! It can be very dangerous. It is better to get the shots. Easy when they are babies, they cry but don't remember. When daughter went to college, last summer, she had to get shots. My gosh you think the sky was falling down!

    Don't worry! He will be fine. Just give some Tyonel (baby kind) when he gets home!

     

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  • Thanks Bonk! Yes, this is lucky. They just changed it. They now do one day late & I think Saturdays are every other. I have had it scheduled forever. Drew will get the shots & I know he will be fine. All the talk makes me a little anxious. kitty
  • I don't mean to make lite of what you are feeling! There is so much info out there pro and con, but I have 3 kids that had all the MMR, Chicken pox, DPT, Hepitituis, etc. and no side effects, very smart kids. Let us know how he does! ~~Bonk5~~

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    Posted by: Sparky
    Date posted: Fri May 2 12:04:22 2008
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    Relax.  Bologna loaf will be fine.

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  • Oh, and I forgot, good luck................................Sparky
  • Thanks Sparks! I should be more worried about the dr. telling his belly is too big. The boy loves his food. LOL! kitty

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