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Topic: Jason. Love him or not ....
Topic Posted by: Helena
Date Posted: Fri Nov 13 12:55:50 2009
Additional Comments: is hot, hot, hot!
He was so mmmmmmm good yesterday in the Jasam scenes. I have to say SB has grown on me over the months and he is still growing on me. When he smiles he is irresistable and his blue eyes lighten up. Not to mention he is a brick house of a man. I hate the mob, but Jason is every day becoming more aware of how his lifestyle effects those he loves regardless of his protection of them.
I may be dreaming but I see Jason making a change for the better and finding a way out of the mob. He'd make a great mercenary.
Posted by: GHFan Date posted: Sun Nov 15 16:27:05 2009
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It is easier to like Jason over Sonny. Sonny reacts with emotion, but with Jason we get to see the ''logic'' behind it. I think it spoke a lot about Jason that he didn't want to coverup Michael/Claudia scene. Jason agreed with Jax not Sonny on that one but he didn't say anything to Sonny which he should of.
GHFan, I see things pretty much your way in regard to Sonny versus Jason. Jason isn't a cry baby or a whiner. He doesn't react and shout like a spoiled child. He doesn't think the universe revolves around him. He isn't greasy. I could go on and on as to why it is so much easier to forgive Jason. Helena
Posted by: Jean Date posted: Fri Nov 13 23:59:54 2009
Message: Did I miss something? What happened to Jason that he has gradually become more sensitive and gentle in his private life? His eyes light up and he gives Sam such tender looks. Is it because she saved him in Mexico? Or is his brain regenerating new tissue?
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My guess is the actor agreed to come back if his character got to do different types of scenes. I'm liking the change.
I'm liking the change too. He is so much more interesting. :o) Jean eom
Jean, I hope it's the latter and that this change is permanent and ever growing. Helena
Posted by: MurphyDog Date posted: Fri Nov 13 20:36:28 2009
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Couldn't have said it better myself. I don't hate Sam and I loved KM as Olivia on PC, but I can't wait for the day she leaves and Jason is free. Freida
Posted by: PhoenixTamer Date posted: Fri Nov 13 18:37:31 2009
Message: I would like to please answer about this question:
I am a very large fan of Steve Burton as an Actor and hate that because of 'story' restrictions (his brain damag/emotional limits) that he is so freaking suppresed in the range he is allowed to show when playing Jason.
I do like Jason though even though he is a 'bad guy.'
I do also agree with Hele that I think recently we are seeing signs that he may be slowly moving back towards having some empathy and emotional range.
Id love it.
chris/pt
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I have always felt that Jason had that side that you claim you are seeing now. Does anyone remember Jason holding Michael in the window??? Does anyone remember Jason on the bridge w/Robin? Does anyone remember Jason & Robin's first love scenes? That was tender, emotional and heart-warming. The only way Jason is changing now is for the worse....his continued involvement w/Sam is in direct contrast to his character. I hate it. Freida
Very Sad, such anger...
I know...I so agree that a few of the fans of Sam and Jason seem to take it so personal and seem to make the most inappropriate and nasty comments about other posters instead of just talking about what they like or dislike. I'm just so thrilled that MOST of the fans who have opposing opinions are intelligent, interesting and informative and are up for a lively discussion w/o any nasty remarks. I've always said that GH fans are the best and I'm sure glad when I'm proven right time and time again (except for a few instances, such as the above)! Freida
Freida, what do you mean ''(except for a few instances such as the above)''. Where was any poster in this thread impolite, nasty or angry, forgive me, other than you? My thread was striclty about Jason and how hot he is. It wasn't about Sam, yet you felt it necessary to post a multitude of heated rants against Sam and Jason when no one was even disputing you. And twice in here you remarked about certain Jasam fans who are nasty to non Jasam fans or some such. I am not a Jasam fan, either and would never bother defending them per se any more than any other silly couple. I just don't understand your attack on this thread. It's like you were insulted but I don't see where you were. Helena
Well the above remark was made to the person who commented on ME being angry instead of talking about Jason & Sam. Secondly, I'm sorry, but IMO each and every post is fair game to discuss what you like and dislike about them (not me, as the above poster did though). You have been around this message board long enough to know that no one can dictate what someone else can or cannot discuss in a post. If your post about Jason being hot pulled me in the direction of how much I dislike Sam and Jason and that is what I want to discuss.....well, then there is no problem. Seems unfair to scold someone for talking about something in a post you don't want to discuss. If it didn't interest you or didn't go w/the theme of your post, then I guess you should have just ignored it....Freida
Freida, you're addressing me like I made the comment when it was Chris who posted, ''Very sad, such anger...''. Why? And to be fair to Chris, you do appear very angry. Why is it wrong to say so? I think if anyone were to read through this thread in order of responses, only one person is upset and that is you. I even threw in the towel at one point, trying to lighten things up. You truly seem to want to fight and no one is taking your bait. Can't we all just get along and agree to disagree? I think perhaps you are being ultra defensive in your anticipation that you were going to be attacked. But this board is too cool and no one attacked you. In fact, I've surrendered this thread to you completey. As I said before, ''you win''. Helena
Freida. All is cool with me. Hope so with you too. We can all have our say here. Helena
Helena-thanks...that's how I took it also. By-the-way, LOVE your name! Freida
Thanks, Freida. Helena is a true villainess with style and taste. Too bad the other bad girls Guza fumbles with turn out to always be tasteless and crude. Guza simply is completely clueless about all women as far as I'm concerned. Helena
Freida...I have been away from this Thread for a couple days...I just want to clarify: That was definitely me that said that...I was just making an observation, not trying to be insulting...you seemed real mad to me...but maybe i shouldn't have commented on it....If it was insulting I sincerely apologize to you and own that ... - chris/pt
Hele - thankxaboutwhat yousaidyourox!:)-chrispt
Thanks Chris for the explanation..and Helena...LOVE the name, LOVE the lady. She is so well written it is scary (especially on this show at times). Freida
Posted by: Freida Date posted: Fri Nov 13 16:45:53 2009
Message: Absolutely HATE any scene that has any romantic involvement between Sam and Jason.
Jason would never have forgiven Sam for endangering his child...HIS CHILD. Oh Jason...where are you?
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You must be a Liason fan. I realize how angry so many of you are and can certainly understand why. But you see, just as many of us dislike Liz and find her as reprehensible as Sam was for a while. Sam was wrong but I forgive her like I forgive most characters for their down times. They've all had them and now Liz is the famale to hate lately. Looks to me like Jason is way, way over Liz and has come to terms with not having his son in his life. He's moved on. Life continues after Liason. And Jason DID forgive Sam. I'll forgive Liz some day, too, for all her dispicibleness right now. Maybe . Sam doesn't try to appear ''the girl next door'' but Liz does. And instead she's more like ''the girl next whore''. Helena.
To forgive is a virtue that Jason is slowly starting to acquire. Of course Jason hated what Sam had done in the past, but he finally came to realize that she really didn't mean to harm Jake, Cam or Liz. It was a bad decision on Sams part regarding the scare tactic she ordered on Liz because her kids were also with her, which made matters worse. Her agenda was just to prove to Liz how dangerous it was for her to be involved with Jason, but the plan backfired on Sam. Freida, have you forgotten that after that incident, Sam also ended up SAVING Jake from a life threatening situation? Both Jason and Liz were thankful and indebted to Sam for saving his life. That's when Sam poured out her heart felt apologies and asked for their forgiveness for her past behavior, and they BOTH forgave her! It's now all in the past and no longer an issue, end of story! Curly q
No...I'm a Jason fan. I have been a Jason fan since he first arrived and dated Keisha. I adore Jason, always have, always will...but I'm not liking him at all right now. The way he is being written is not Jason...Jason would couldn't forgive Claudia, for Michael, would NEVER forgive Sam for Jake. So if Claudia had lived, would I ever have wanted to see Jason in a romance w/her...I mean if he forgave Sam, why not forgive Claudia, understand that she never meant to hurt Michael. Nope...I'm a Jason fan, always have been, always will be...but hate his current entanglement and am just waiting for the day it ends. Freida
Oh and wanted to add, it will always be an issue. Sam allowed an mentally sick woman to take Jake, putting him directly in harms way. I don't care if she saves his life 1,000 times, she can never make up for endangering him once. As for forgiveness, I can see them forgiving her but not sleeping & loving her. I could see them both say, ok Sam you helped and I forgive you, but never come near me or my children again. That would be normal. What Jason is doing is not normal and the fact that Elisabeth isn't angry w/him is even stranger. Sam may deserve forgivenes...maybe...but she doesn't deserve Jason's love. Not once, not at all..NOT EVER!!!!!! Freida
And...just wanted to make one more point. In all fairness, Claudia was a better person than Sam could ever be.....why you ask? Because athough Claudia set up the hit, if she had been standing next to Dr. Devlin, she would have never allowed him to shoot that gun if Michael was in the area. Claudia wouldn't have allowed it to happen. Sam, on the other hand, stood by and watched Jake being taken by a woman she knew was mentally derranged. She could have stopped it and didn't. Hmm...who is the better woman? Claudia who really did eat herself up inside over the whole Michael shooting or Sam, who didn't really seem that upset and got even nastier and angrier towards Jason afterwards...and then started sleeping w/Elisabeth's ex-husband and wanted to *spend time w/Jake*. So again, who is the better woman.....Freida
I would never attempt to argue with one who so vehemently hates any particular chartacter. Whatever the case you have a right to your opinion. I dislike Liz, but definitely not anywhere near as much as you hate Sam. You win. LOL. Helena
See, that's the thing...I don't hate Sam. I actually like Sam quite a bit, just not w/Jason. I love all the scenes w/Sam and her sisters and adore anytime Sam is w/Alexis....just not w/Jason. It does always amaze me when others can't realize that you can dislike a couple w/o disliking the people involved in the couple. I would love to see Sam team up w/someone new and exciting...I would also like to see Sam more involved w/Nikolas and her Cassidine heritage. There is so much more left to play off of Sam that does not involve her w/Jason. As I said b/f, let Jason & Liz forgive her, but also ask that she stay away from their child. For Jason to have any romantic feelings towards Sam is like Jason having romantic feelings for Claudia or Faith Rosco. It just isn't Jason. Freida
But didn't you say that Sam is no better than Claudia? I disagree and I'm not on the Claudia hating band wagon either, but there is no comparison. And forgive me, but there are a lot of posters who have to hate one character to love another and then rant about it. Glad you aren't one of them. I also agree that you don't have to dislike the people in the couples you don't like. It's not rocket science. But again you seemed to rant quite a bit about Sam so it was hard to see the difference there for a while. Helena
Freida, I'm not excusing Sam's past mistakes that she made in regards to Jake, but he was never hurt or harmed at any time. You'd have good reason to b*tch at Sam, if Jake had been shot in the head like Michael who laid in a coma for over a year. Sam never put a hit out to kill anyone,.....but Claudia did! She wanted Sonny killed, but unfortunately Michael accidentally became the victim instead. She may not have pulled the trigger, but she planned the hit and was just as guilty as the shooter. If you're running a contest here as to who is the better person , than I will say that Sam trumps Claudia for the reasons I mentioned. Sorry that Jason is a disappointment to you lately. It seems to me that your bitterness towards Jason is due more to the fact that he is in love with Sam and wants to be with her instead of Jake/Liz. Personally, I think it was quite generous of Jason to let Lucky assume the role of Jakes father in order to keep him safe and out of harms way. Liz is very fortunate to have a man like Lucky who is willing to be a good father to both of her boys, even though he is not the biological father to either one. Liz doesn't seem to care that Jason is not involved with her or Jake anymore,..... why should she? She has a new lust in her life now, and she's too busy getting laid by both her future husband to be and her brother-in-law. I would think you'd be more concerned and upset with Liz than Jason at this time. You know it's quite feasible that she could be headed towards a #3WTD s/l in the near future. Thanks to the soap gods, Jason hasn't been involved in any part of her menage a trois this time, and has been totally focused on the love of his life........SAM. Curly q
Helena-I guess I dislike Sam and Jason so much because I feel their relationship is unfair (and scuzzy) for both of them. As I said b/f, I'm a huge KM fan (loved Livvie) and even while she was doing all that stuff to Jake, I wasn't hating her (probably because of how much I like KM as an actress)...but to put them together is just nasty. Sometimes it is just time to call a soap couple quits and I feel that Jason & Sam should never have been reconciled. It ruins Jason and it destroys Sam. As for the Sam vs Claudia thing...I never hate dClaudia. I liked her, she was flawed. Flawed characters are the best characters, IMO. Claudia tried to jusstify all she did because she was still a lonely little girl who's Daddy didn't love her...very easy to excuse her, just as it is easy to excuse Sam for her misdeeds. But is Sam better than Claudia, nope. Sam did an evil act and it will always be there for her to deal with. Freida
Sorry, as I said above, Sam is not excused from the act she committed just because Jake wasn't harmed. Claudia is flawed and evil, but Claudia would never have allowed Devlin to shoot that gun anywhere near Michael if she had been there...Sam was there and allowed Jake to be taken by a mentally derranged woman and then never told anyone where he was. How did Sam know that Jake wouldn't have been killed? She knew the woman wasn't sane....as far as she knew, the woman took the baby and killed him in a fit of anger while he was crying for his mother. Just because the result of Sam's actions was different than the result of Claudia's actions doesn't make either one of the exempt from what they did...and since Sam allowed it to happen while holding the power to change the situation...Sam is far worse than Claudia (in this instance). And again, please don't try to pull this into a Liz vs Sam situation. As much as I prefer Liz w/Jason, I'm on the fence now that the original Lucky is back....doesn't change my distaste for Sam & Jason. I'm patiently waiting for this couple to be 'ova. Freida
I wanted to discuss Liz in a different post. So Liz isn't perfect and she is flawed....GOOD FOR LIZ, it's about time. Liz is an excellent mother and she is a lovely woman, but she is flawed...just the love she had for Jason proved that. If I can forgive Sam for allowing Jake to be in danger, I guess I can forgive Liz for sleeping around a bit, can't you (tongue in cheek)? Freida
Freida. I can understand why you dislike what Sam did and why it seems strange that Jason would forgive her when it was his own son she had kidnapped. It does seem out of character for the old Jason. But I see a new Jason emerging from Sonny's waste who sees himself as part blame in everything. I stiull see no comarison between Sam and Claudia so we'll have to remain in disagreement there. I know I am presently on a LizNik hate trip so I find them a far more vile couple right now than Jasam. But I know what it's like to really dislike something on GH and be passionate about it. Helena
So I have to ask, do you like Liz and Nikolas separately? I know that I'm not a big fan of Liz/Nik and I kinda feel it's not going to last, so I'm not really that bothered by it...just don't like it at all. I'm torn about Liz though, I adore her w/Jason but I adore her w/Lucky. I think that a Jason/Liz/Lucky triangle is so much more appealing than a Nik/Liz/Lucky one. For Liz, the good guy w/a heart of gold cop vs the hitman w/the beautiful eyes and sensitive soul. What is a beautiful woman to do...I hope it works out so I can find out! Freida
You won't like this very much but I pretty much detest Liz and find her the biggest mess of a female on GH. She's boring and leads a drab life with Lucky. She lied and turned into someone I couldn't like at all with Jason. I find she has the most chemistry with Nik and if the circumstances were different I'd be all for LizNik because Nik is boring with other women. I'm not a Jason fan but find him more human than eveer lately and since he's with Sam I have to like the couple I guess, but since romance isn't important to me I am no fan of any couple and if I like a character no pairing will ruin it. I like Liz rarely and when I do it's when she's being a friend to someone and not when she's following her beaver around PC looking for what turns her on. Liz seems to turn all wanton and slutty when she's with men that turn her on. What's that all about? Can't she just be natural? My final answer is that I am not a couple lover of any pairing per se. I either think they work or they don't. Carly and Jax work. I'm liking Lulu and Dante. If Liz and Nik came clean I'd even get behind them maybe. Helena
I have to admit, I adore Liz and have since the rape. Sometimes you just get a favorite (Sonny, Jason, Liz, Brenda) and keep w/them. I really, really like Dante and I really, really like Lulu and they are becoming a fast match for me. I think that the girl who plays Lulu is absolutely stunning and I love the way they have allowed her to grow up without a relationship (since Johnny) and now find romance w/Dante (hopefully). Freida
I missed the rape days so I never made that bond with her. I know her mostly post Lucky's fire and find her not worth all the time given her character. I realize she's average and that's the attraction for many, that she's just like someone they know or themselves. But for me, just like I want my president not to be just like me or my neighbor, I want my characters to be bigger and better than I am as well. RH is a very pretty woman and a decent actress, but she's limited to two speeds, baby voiced victim and wanton wench. That said, JB is a very good actress and makes Lulu very clever and I also love they way they've let her grow up. She's looking very ''femme fatale'' lately. My favorites are Luke, Alexis, Coleman, Dianne and Alice. But next in line are Tracy, Monica, Edward, Ethan, Maxie, Lulu, Lucky and Mac. Poor Spinelli used to be on that list. Now here's a twist. I'm not sure I like Dante and I'm not a couple fan, but I like ''Luke and Dante'' because of their dialogue and because they're taking it slowly and not forcing early sex on us. Helena
Posted by: JMO Date posted: Fri Nov 13 16:30:29 2009
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