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Topic: Bravo, Carly-for reminding Sonny what a lowlife father he is

Just my opinion-Cheers to Carly for 'reminding' Sonny what a low-life father he is. Michael is lying in a coma for the rest of his life, and it happened on Sonny's watch. I hope Carly never lets Sonny forget it.

The manipulative sex was a pattern for the old Carly, but definitely something Sonny deserved. If manipulation is for the welfare of the children, it's OK by me. 

Sonny should sign his parental rights over. I don't care how sad Sonny is right now-it's just because the greasy one got caught and he isn't everyone's favorite right now. Power has a lot to do with acceptance. Sonny doesn't care about Michael. Sonny doesn't know how to love. While he's in a coma in the hospital, Sonny has already told Michael that Sonny won't be visiting him. Sonny doesn't know how to love. 'The greasy one' will sweep Michael's shooting under the rug and get back to business as usual.

Jax has proved himself as a terrific father. Go Jax! Laura Wright should win an Emmy for her performance since Michael was shot.

I don't like this storyline at all. 

First of all, Carly was the one who allowed Mikey and Morgan to be in Sonny/Jason's lives for years.  This wasn't just a first time thing.  The children have always been in danger, hence the bodyguards and trips to Sonny's island.  She should be equal blame on herself. 

Secondly, I agree about signing over the rights to the children would somehow make it safe.  Do you think the Zachharas or any of Sonny's enemies will say, "Oh, he's no longer the legal father, so we won't go after the kids to get Sonny."  He will still love them and his enemies know this. 

Third, although, LW has done a good job as an anguished mother, I just can't feel sorry for Carly, Sonny and Jason for what they did to AJ (I know AJ had many faults himself). 

It's a tough question.

Carly is right that removing Sonny from his kids' life is, practically speaking, the best way to keep them safe, and that really should be the bottom line, shouldn't it?  On the other hand, she waited way too long to come to that conclusion.  So Sonny is right that ripping him out of Morgan's life immediately after the loss of Michael will crush Morgan. 

Part of me thinks it isn't fair to ask a father to walk away from his kids, but part of me thinks sometimes that is exactly the right thing for the father to do.  I guess if Sonny and Carly were in agreement about him giving up his rights, I would agree that it is the right thing to do.  But Sonny doesn't agree, and I don't blame him.  He has rights too, and Carly is the one who gave them to him.

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Is carly going to ask Jason to stay out of Morgans life? If not, she is a hypocrite and still a bad mother. Jason is just as dangerous as Sonny is and for Carly to single Sonny out is ridiculous. As for Jason, he doesn't wnat to even look at Jake because of the danger, but he is ok with being a part of Carly and Morgan's life? Carly is and will always be a hypocrite when it comes to Jason. ladfan

Did you miss the scene where Carly apologized to Elizabeth and told her she had exactly the right idea about keeping Jake away from the mob from the start? I don't think it's Carly's place to tell Jason what he should or shouldn't do with his kids. Not that that has ever stopped her before. //SqueezeMe

Oh duh. It's early. Morgan, not Jake. I agree, LOL. //SqueezeMe

I remember that Carly scenes where told both Elizabeth and Alexis that they were right to keep their children away from Sason. I didn't mean that Carly should ask Jason about Jake. I said that Jason is concerned about Jake's safety so he stays away, but doesn't mind walking into Carly's house any time he wants. What about the dnager he presents to Carly and her children? As for Carly thinking that Sonny is the antichrist and Jason is the bestest father, that is just carly being Carly. ladfan

SM, after I wrote the above reply, I saw YOUR reply agreeing with me. Please disregard the above. ladfan

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Posted by: Gigi
Date posted: Tue May 20 18:02:00 2008
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Why should Sonny sign his parental rights over?  Carly is deluding herself yet again.  That piece of paper means nothing.  Sonny's enemies won't care who has official and/or legal parental rights.  Morgan is Sonny's son and will always be a huge target whether Sonny is in his everyday life or not.

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I think the plan was more like, move away, change their names, create as much of an illusion of distance as possible, etc. But IA that if they're all planning to continue hanging out in Sonny's back yard, it won't really make any difference. //SqueezeMe

Well, I agree there, SM. Michael and Morgan shouldn't have anything to do with Sonny. -lj

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Posted by: bell
Date posted: Tue May 20 17:52:17 2008
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I do not think Sonny should sign away his rights, Carly is no better mother than Sonny is a father. No way in hell would I sign away my kids. It was not Sonny or Carly's fault that kid got shot, it was Claudia and Johnny's, they did this. Sonny took the kid on an outing to be a good dad. Carly has no right to ask Sonny to do this. I can't stand the low life white trash, I did not like her on GL either, hope she never gets an emmy.

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I agree that Sonny shouldn't sign away his rights, but the issue is bigger than who is responsible for Michael getting shot. Sonny's first child was killed in a limo bombing. Sonny's penthouse was bombed with Michael in it. Sonny's limo was bombed with Michael near it. Michael and Morgan were kidnapped. Then Michael was shot. What do all of these events have in common? They were all perpetrated by Sonny's mob rivals. In the big picture, Sonny and Carly are responsible for getting Michael shot. //SqueezeMe

Just my opinion SM, but I don't see how LW's Carly figures into that equation. Sonny is the one with the enemies. -lj

Please remember that Lily's father was the one who orchestrated the explosion of Sonny's car (it wasn't a limo). Her father also orchestrated the adoption of her first born, because he didn't approve of the father. Yes, he was Sonny's rival, but he was also Lily's father, who committed suicide after finding out that he killed his daughter & grandchild. eom

lj, it doesn't matter which Carly we're talking about. All of them, together with Sonny, allowed the kids to live an extremely dangerous lifestyle. //SqueezeMe

I haven't forgotten, RB1. //SqueezeMe

SM: You may not have forgotten, but a lot of others seem to have. Blowing up your own daughter to get to your son-in-law is pretty low! eom

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Posted by: MurphyDog
Date posted: Tue May 20 15:23:15 2008
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I agree about LW - she's been fantastic! Wow. But poor Jax, how many times is he suppose to forgive her Sonny-sexcapades? As much as I like them as a couple (they actually act like grownups for the most part and this is the most I have ever liked Jax), this might be the end of them. Besides, Ingo is a little like Tony Geary....seems to have one foot out the door at all times, and everytime they go on their extended vaca, I always feel like they might not come back.

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Posted by: Kobefan
Date posted: Tue May 20 14:56:57 2008
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Sonny may be a crappy father, but Carly IMO is a MUCH worse mother.   It was CARLY who decided that Sonny & Jason's life was 'safe' for Michael.   Carly knew they were in the mob and it was dangerous, yet she couldn't have cared less.   Carly wanted Sonny, and she never once considered NOT being with him because of the danger.   I have listened to Carly go on and on for YEARS about what a great father Sonny is, and how he and Jason would protect the boys.   AJ was evil incarnate because he had a drinking problem.  But the fact that Jason & Sonny kill people for a living didn't give her a moment's hesitation.  Not even after Michael & Morgan were kidnapped.   Not after Sonny SHOT her while giving birth to Morgan.  

Carly has been Sonny & Jason's biggest fan.    She's been a total bit@h to Liz and Kate and Alexis because only she could handle the life.  Evil Elizabeth kept Jason from his son because she was 'scared'.  But not Carly.  CARLY CHOSE Sonny to be Michael's father against all common sense and reason because she wanted him.   Michael and Morgan's safety was absolutely secondary to Carly.   So frankly I blame her completely for the position Michael is in.   Sonny didn't force himself and his life on Carly.   She CHOSE it.   She doesn't get to blame him now.   Especially after screwing him YET AGAIN, and cheating on her husband.   Carly is a lying selfish bit@h, and she and she alone should be blamed for Michael's life.    

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JMO-I agree that Carly is not a saint, but none of her children were shot at because of Carly's past manipulations and lies. At least Carly is facing reality in the present, and realizes that her past decisions have been very wrong. Carly is the lesser of two evils, and is married to Jax, who is a much better stabilizing influence for her children than Sonny. -lj

ICAM! But I disagree that Carly isn't partially responsible for putting Michael in danger. She has, from the time Michael was conceived, made bad decisions. HER decision to have Sonny be Michael's father was a bad choice. He was surrounded by violence on a daily basis. If Carly was so opposed to Michael being possibly put in the line of fire, why did she agree that Sonny could take Michael anywhere, much less to the warehouse? I've never seen Michael's condition as being Sonny's fault. He didn't know that there was going to be a hitman in the warehouse. He thought that it was safe, for a number of reasons, the least of which wasn't the the warehouse was going to be surrounded by federal agents--armed federal agents. Where were they when Devlin was sculking (sp) around the warehouse & got access--w/the rifle?! eom

You know, after reading posts about the 'danger' with these men, listening to the show's constant concern of females about the 'danger' of being with these men, it seems no one, not one of these women are concerned that these men are not moral, not decent citizens, are indeed MURDERERS and therefore dangerous in themselves. Before I would consider the dangers outside, I'd consider the men themselves by some standard of morality--they are violent, they are dangerous people, not just their profession. Lots of jobs are dangerous, coal miners, trapeze artists, window washers on tall buildings, but they don't endanger others simply by their jobs--criminals who live by extorting, threatening, stealing, and killing others DO. I'd be far more worried about them as dangerous law-breakers! Just saying their life style is dangerous doesn't cover it. Just more of GH's distorted morality. GHFan

Carly's children have been shot at because SHE CHOSE a mobster for their father. The main point being that she CHOSE him. That isn't Michael's biological father. Carly made the conscious decision to take Michael away from AJ and give him to a mobster. That is ALL on her. Sonny didn't make her do it. It was Carly's choice. Now she has to live with it. I just can't wait for Michael to wake up and not want anything to do with her, just like Jason with the Q's. That would be SWEET. Kobefan

For me, and this is just my opinion, Carly is redeemed from her past bad judgment concerning Sonny and the mob because of her present actions, and how she is responding to Michael's shooting. But I bet Carly is also pregnant now. The plot thickens for the parents of the year! But which set of parents? ;) -lj

Carly could have been redeemed by her actions if they hadn't included screwing the so-called horrible father and probably creating yet ANOTHER mob baby. Any redemption Carly may have had IMO was completely lost. I don't care how upset she was, there is NO excuse big enough for what she did with Sonny and to Jax. She's a whore plain and simple. She gets NO sympathy from me. Kobefan

But I respectfully differ: to me, Carly slept with Sonny not for enjoyment, but to achieve something for Jax. I doubt if Carly got any enjoyment out of her physical union with Sonny. Carly has known Sonny a long time, and that was the only way to 'butter Sonny up' and get his attention, So Carly didn't really cheat in Jax. Besides, Jax kissed Kate. Emotional adultery is as bad as physical adultery. I'd say they're even in the infidelity department. But technically, I don't think Carly committed adultery at all-it was all for something Jax wanted. JMO as always--lj

I totally disagree. Carly doesn't do anything for anyone but herself. She wanted to 'do' Sonny & would have no matter what. I don't think that Jax would be grateful that she chose that option to get Sonny to sign away his parental rights. eom

Are you serious? Carly screwed Sonny so she could give something to Jax? I'm pretty sure JAX won't see it that way. And Jax's brief kiss with Kate in no way makes it OK for Carly to cheat. Both Jax and Kate were immediately sorry, and admitted they were just upset. Carly on the other hand is just doing what Carly does best. I don't think Carly slept with Sonny to butter him up at all. I think she did it for herself. She's a tramp and always has been. There's no excuse for what she did. Kobefan

They're even in the adultery department? Are you serious? You're going to equate a kiss with sex? How does that work? IN NO WAY does Jax's little kiss with Kate equal Carly screwing Sonny YET AGAIN behind Jax's back. And the fact that she went home and jumped on Jax right after is just plain gross. I don't know how you can seriously defend her. EOM

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Posted by: buster
Date posted: Tue May 20 13:41:38 2008
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it must be the heat in south florida, but i just didn't get that scene.

can someone explain to me why sonny would have to sign over custody of his kids or give in to carly's demands, just because sonny had sex with carly? what would carly hold over sonny, besides her hiked-up dress? what am i missing here? it's not like sonny is married. if anything, i'd think carly has more at stake to lose, if jax were to find out.

someone please enlighten me and i'm serious here. i don't get it.

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Jax and eventually Carly want Sonny to sign over custody of Michael and Morgan because of the danger-because of Michael getting shot. -lj

But signing over legal custody to Jax isn't going to change anything. The kids will always be a target because they are potential leverage to get Sonny & Jason to do whatever someone else wants. eom

JMO-The boys wouldn't necessarily be targets if Sonny signed over custody. The reason any enemies would go after them is because the children are with Sonny physically, and important to him. If Sonny signed over custody, Michael and Morgan wouldn't be near Sonny. He could go off in a corner and lick his wounds. CPS would take Sonny's rights away, so why not? -lj

lj: But the kids aren't just in danger being around Sonny. They are in danger when he isn't in the picture because they can be used as leverage by those who want something from Sonny. That wouldn't change if he wasn't their legal father. The same way it didn't change anything when Jason didn't have physical custody of Michael. If someone wanted something, it would be common knowledge that holding Michael (or Morgan) would have been the way to make Sonny & Jason do whatever the opposition wanted. The Q's used to say that Michael would have been safer at the mansion. I'm not sure why, since they had the most lax security system around! How many times did Lucky walk in through Emily's bedroom window?! No security alarms went off & if Michael had been the target, he could have been gone for hours before anyone in the house noticed. I also don't think that either Reginald or Alice would have been any match for armed kidnappers w/mob ties. eom

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