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Topic: any advice on child support/visitation issues


Topic Posted by: confused
Date Posted: Mon Jul 7 21:07:01 2008
Additional Comments: My son has been in school, just graduated from college. He has a 4 year old daughter (never married). He and the mother lived together for the first year of his daughter's life, until she decided to go back to the small town and have free babysitters while she ran around. For awhile we and my son were able to see my granddaughter, then the vindictive b made things very difficult, where only her family would arrange for us to see her. She definitely prefers my son, b/c her "mother" dumps her off on her family more than not. To make a long story short (which I guess this is still long--sorry), she filed for him to pay child support. He is still taking board exams, and looking for a job, but we are helping him pay. He is required to give her 48 hour notice to see the little girl, and this whole last week he was in town and kept calling her. At first she acted receptive, but said she would call him back which of course she didn't. He kept calling (and remained civil, to his credit). My question is, what if anything will happen? She even acknowledged to him that she would "get in trouble" if she didn't allow him to see the child. Now he is on his way home, so he never did get to see her. My husband is furious and refuses to mail the check now. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.



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Posted by: mma'sgirl
Date posted: Thu Sep 4 0:49:42 2008
Message:

I have a question, and please don't be offended by it, but I wonder if your son really wants to have a relationship with his child, or if he is being somewhat pushed into it by you and your husband who want to be able to see and know  your grandchild?  I can understand wanting to see a grandchild, myself. But how does  your son feel about it?  Would he want to get sole custody, after a costly court battle paid for by you?  Would you wind up in that case taking care of the child while your son went on with his search for a career?  And then having taken the child away from its mother, then your son marries and his wife doens't the child?  This happens?  This is often a story told in the soaps and we know that in the soaps every father, no matter what he is otherwise, loves his child from the time he first hears about it, and when he feels he has been wronged, then fights for sole custody.  But in real life, young men who create a child who is taken to another place soon after birth, don't always feel that intense love for them. It's just a fact of life. Mothers, even those who 'run around' because they are not married and have parents who help take care of them as  you take care of your son, can still love the child. 

So I think it depends on your son; does he honestly want to do something that would gain him a child to rear when he is just starting his life?  If he marries in a few years, what if his wife doesn't want to have a child thrust on her shoulders when she is just a bride?  These things happen. If you really think your son, with a college education is still too young to handle his own affairs, then he isn't old enough to take on a little kid and rear it.

The main thing I sense in your message is that you feel very hostile towards the mother and possibly her parents as well.  This won't make for an easy custody agreement or a support agreement, if you get into the middle of it. He is the man who must know for sure if he wants to fight an expensive battle paid for by you, to get a child he hardly knows.   How do the other grandparents feel? Are they at present caring for the child, while the mother 'runs around?"  When there is so much obvious anger on your side, consider what it might be on the other side for their grandchild's father.  And in between, the father and mother of the child, how do they feel at present? You speak of the mother as 'running around.' If she isn't married, is she doing anything that your son doesn't feel free to do, too?  Does he not date because he has a child out of wedlock? 

MY advice is for all grandparents to get out of the way and the two adults who are the parents try to find a way to treat each other civilly, as they would hope to be treated themselves.  It's an old bit of advice  you may have read before. 

What everyone must keep in mind is that the little child will grow up in a few years and then she will understand the hateful talk she might have heard when she was younger.  And she may wonder at the accusations and if they were deserved.  Adolescents are able to make choices, and they no longer believe everything they've heard.  She will know and love her parents and grandparents, or else she will be quick to get away from them all.  If the mother wins custody, your part as grandparents are to be loving, patient, and wait to see how the child's parents come to an agreement. Sometimes we must wait to have a child love us. Sometimes it never happens if the child has heard only ugly things.  Sometimes a child thought to be lost will come willingly to visit and find what has been forbidden and love what was there for her all the time.  But to remember nothing but arguments, accusations, hatred, jealousy, and malice is not the way to rear a child to love anybody.  And it happens in too many families that begin only wanting to love the child.  Be the people you want your grandchild to remember with love. 


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Posted by: Tess
Date posted: Fri Jul 11 15:10:00 2008
Message:
Your son has to pay child support even if he never sees the child. She still needs to eat, have clothing, etc. You can't take the money away from the child because you are mad at the mom. That just isn't right, morally or legally. Your son needs to go to family court to get his visitation resolved. It's the only way to do it. I don't understand why he hasn't already done that. I don't even think you have to have a lawyer so if lack of money is the issue, it shouldn't be. I wouldn't let it stand in my way. He needs to go to family court.

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  • And why isn't he trying to get custody or at least joint custody? I wouldn't be asking these questions on a slow discussion board, I'd be going to court...fast.

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