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Topic: Todd's attitude toward Cole


Topic Posted by: LuvJerry
Date Posted: Thu May 1 19:34:13 2008
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I DON'T condone Todd beating the crap out of Cole, but I have to agree with Todd about Cole's intentions. Todd is behaving the way a father should. Cole doesn't have Starr's interests at heart. Where is Starr going to have the baby, on a sidewalk somewhere? This seems to be all right with Cole.

I loved Blair's comment to Todd today that, "You make everybody nervous" when Todd said Langston was a weird kid.

I just like Starr, but don't like Cole. The couple doesn't have "true love" chemistry for me. It's not believable that they love each other. Cole just seems aloof.





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Posted by: Wanda Wolek
Date posted: Fri May 2 11:35:12 2008
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Here is my problem with Todd's attitude toward Cole.  From Day 1 it was a huge SPD.  Cole taking steroids and getting all road-ragey on Starr was a SPD.  I can understand Todd's dislike of Cole after Cole frightened Starr.  That's how a father would act.  But even before that, Todd disliked Marty (who had come back to Llanview to testify FOR Todd during the Margaret murder trial), which made no sense and disliked her "spawn" because he was her child.  If anything, I would see Todd acting like the Todd before Ireland toward Marty.  But no, he hated her and distrusted her, and by association, hated and distrusted Cole.  SPD.

Then Todd actually relented and he acted as most fathers would until he walked in on Starr and Cole.  I understand his reaction to seeing his beloved daughter in bed with Cole; I understand punching him - once.  Beating the crap out of Cole, while not the worst thing Todd has ever done - was over the top.  And ever since then Todd has been way over the top.  I feel it is an incredibly SPD that Todd refuses to listen to everyone as they tell him Cole did not attempt to rape Starr.  He can still hate the kid for sleeping with his daughter.  The writers don't need to manufacture this over-the-top "he raped her" angle.  And it also annoys the stuffing out of me that no one - not Blair, or Viki, or Dorian - is getting in his face about his abusive treatment of Starr and the manhandling of Langston.  SPD all the way.

Todd getting upset that Cole and Starr ran away is understandable.  But why does he need to say Cole kidnapped Starr?  Why not just be mad that they ran away?  I'm okay with Todd transferring his anger at himself onto Cole, but that's what it should be.  That Todd has some inner awareness that he, not Cole, created this situation by his treatment of Starr.  That's typical Todd.  But I'm sick to death of listening to Todd say such blatantly stupid things.  Todd was never this self-deluded.

Now, as for Cole and Starr, I'm not feeling the star-crossed lovers thing.  Never have.  Cole is a dullard (thanks to whoever first coined that term).  I do think the character is viable as the child of a former major character.  It's the actor that just doesn't click.  He does seem aloof.  Where's the passion?  Where's the teenage recklessness and desperation when faced with losing the girl he loves?  I'm not seeing it, and worse, I'm just not feeling it.

And may I just add here that if the writers make Starr do something as stupid as use her ATM card or Visa to pay for anything - and that being the way Todd finds them - I will scream!  Starr is so more savvy about these things than Cole Thornhardt ever would be.  What happened to the Starr of old?  Why did she have to stop having a brain and being one tough, little cookie - the true daughter of Todd Manning and Blair Cramer - just to make this romance (blech!) work?

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  • Cole is a dullard (thanks to whoever first coined that term). - I called him a dullard. I think the actor doesn't bring anything to the character. They need a recast if Cole has to stay on the canvas. ICAM with you about Todd and especially Starr and her idiotic behavior. ladfna
  • Thanks, ladfan, for coining the term ''dullard'' for Cole. It's suits that actor's characterization perfectly. Wanda
  • I think teh actor who plays Marko is good. In fact, I think he and Starr have a nice chemistry. Cole is a dullard. I also think Johnny Z form GH is a dullard. ladfan
  • It makes me sad that Langston and Markko, two interesting characters played by fine actors, are playing second bananas to Starr and Cole. I like Starr and KA just fine, but no way should the actor playing Markko take second place behind BB's Cole. But I still maintain that Cole could have possibilities if played by a better actor. Wanda
  • Question concerning Todd claiming that Cole raped Starr-could it be because Starr is underage and Cole is 18? Cole is still in high school, but maybe he's had an early birthday or something. -lj
  • SPD What does that mean? Sensory Processing Disorder??? I don't get it!
  • SPD is a new STD. j/k! :)
  • In most states, PA included, 16 is the age of consent for sex. Statuatory rape is not an option in this story. Todd sees it as rape because he raped Marty and he is projecting his own guilt onto Cole.

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    Posted by: ladfan
    Date posted: Fri May 2 9:59:28 2008
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    Other than beating up Cole, I completely understand Todd's reaction to Cole and what he walked in on.  People act like Todd is completely out of line for hating Cole.  But Todd sees Cole ans teh guy who is trying ot sleep with his daughter and that is reason enough.  As for Cole, he certainly doesn't have Starr's best interests at heart.  What does he think they are going to live on?  Their love?  I am all for Todd tracking them down and reading them the riot act.

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    Posted by: Poley
    Date posted: Fri May 2 9:09:12 2008
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    Other than the violent behavior he exhibited (although, that is Todd's nature), I can understand Todd being upset.  The other problem I have with this story is the lack of chemistry between the "lovebirds." 


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    Posted by: Miss. Bear
    Date posted: Thu May 1 23:46:09 2008
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     I have mentioned in a post a while ago that I didn't think it was realistic for Starr and Cole to be together because Starr's dad raped Cole's mom. That would always be an issue. It would be too unreal for them to not even think about that. I wouldn't mind seeing Starr with Marco or some other nice young man. This is one couple that should never be, and never should have.

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    Posted by: sea
    Date posted: Thu May 1 22:43:39 2008
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    If "aloof" means "like he should be murdered" then I agree.  There is no humor about Cole at all, and with him Starr is boring.  I want him gone--either dead (my preference) or recast (Wanda's preference). 

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