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Topic: A question about Evangelicals


Topic Posted by: Pronoun
Date Posted: Wed Sep 3 13:02:09 2008
Additional Comments: I don't know anything about Evangelicals so maybe someone can enlighten me. Yesterday I heard someone on TV saying that they don't allow women to be pastors. I'm pretty sure this is incorrect but can't say I've ever noticed any women pastors.  Can someone tell me?



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Posted by: stpauliegirl
Date posted: Wed Sep 3 19:39:04 2008
Message:
I don't understand the evangelicals either.  I don't understand what being ''born again'' means.  Makes no sense to me.

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  • I am born again, and it's so easy to explain a child can understand. I didn't realize it was a foreign concept to some people until Jimmy Carter ran for president. Anyway, it's a big concept in Baptist churches. Here's the idea: You are born. You grow up. Being the human that you are, you do bad things like throws rocks through windows, put spiders on your sister, spit on yourself and tell your parents your sister spit on you and then let her take the whippin' you deserved and not say anything. Take Playboy magazines out of the drugstore. Purely hypothetical stuff like that. They're called sins. One day, the preacher pulls up in his station wagon and you talk. He makes you realize you've been bad. You feel bad. He says don't feel bad. We all sin and we all can receive redemption for sin through Jesus. He died on the cross and took the punishment for our sins in our place because he loved us that much. All you have to do his accept his gift of grace. The outward sign of that is a Baptism. You are immersed in water just as John the Baptist immersed Jesus in the water. When you emerge from the water, you are (very temporarily in my case) without sin again. You're an innocent again. You are BORN AGAIN. It doesn't mean you'll never sin again. (At least for me). But it does mean you have accepted Jesus' redemption. That what Baptists and evangelicals mean when they say they are BORN AGAIN. farmer
  • P.S. And the thinking in the Baptist churches is you should accept this divine gift of forgiveness and redemption and sacrifice whether you committed just a few tiny sins hardly worth mentioning like myself or a whole lot of bad sins like I suspect Peridot has done. farmer

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    Posted by: Ricky
    Date posted: Wed Sep 3 16:31:32 2008
    Message:

    This is slightly off-topic, but my first encounter with a female minister was a Gal Preacher with a local liberal Methodist church in about 1990.    I had never heard of a Gal Preacher before, since I'm a Catholic, and all our priests are boys.    We don't allow women to step into the sanctuary, unless they have dust cloths and Lemon Pledge in their hands.   Girls clean the church and make it pretty, so that boys can preach in it.   That's just the way it works.   Anyway, some of the ladies in the Methodist church were bound-&-determined that I was gonna take their new Gal Preacher out on a date.   You know how old widows are; they wanna get all the young single women fixed up with boys.    So I took the Gal Preacher out like twice, and she about drove me crazy.   She had a very one-track mind about women's rights, and that was pretty much all she could talk about.   I understand why --- she was the only Preacher-ette in a male dominated clergy, and it was an all-consuming issue for her.  I haven't dated any more Preacherettes.  I'm sure there are plenty of nice well-rounded Preacherettes in the world (hello, Misspm) but this girl definitely wasn't one of them!   She was a Pastor-ette with a HUGE chip on her shoulder.

    One of my old friends is now a Gal Priest in the Episcopal church.  I always call her "Father", which drives her nuts.   Also, I've observed that she doesn't enjoy being referred to as a "gal priest".  I don't understand why not ;-)

    Seriously, I've got nothing against female ministers.   In fact, when I need to consult with a member of the clergy, I usually find just as much comfort (if not more) from a female preacher as I do from my own priest.   

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  • Ricky, LOL at you and your ''Gal preacher.'' You are something. ~i&b
  • Lemon Pledge and Dust Clothes, LOL - Pronoun
  • Try calling her ''Mother'' and see how she reacts, lol.
  • Ricky, you little scamp .....and Ricky may fool around witht that father thing but he wouldn't touch ''Mother;.......As in Our Mother Mary, huh, Ricky? ..........(still love ya).....Kate

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    Posted by: Peridot
    Date posted: Wed Sep 3 15:12:25 2008
    Message:

    The word evangelical comes from the Greek word for "good news."  Some people might equate the term Evangelical with right-wing and some Christians probably fit that mold.  But ALL believers are called upon to share the good news of Jesus Christ, so technically that term should encompass all Christians.

    Our church labels itself evangelical and I've never heard anyone say women can't be pastors.  Our senior pastor happens to be a man but several of our ministry leaders are women, and women frequently teach in our church.  I know the scriptures people often use to say women shouldn't have leadership positions in the church but I don't believe that was the original intent.  Women leaders are mentioned in both the Old and New Testaments.  Jesus flouted the religious mores of his day by having female disciples.  The Apostle Paul refers to women who led churches in their home, or otherwise helped spread the Gospel, and commends them for their work.  There is a passage in Corinthians which exhorts the wives of the prophets to remain silent when their husbands have the floor, but I don't think this can be used as a "proof text" for women not being pastors.  Another passage states that ALL believers (including male and female) are "one in Christ Jesus."  All believers have a special office to fill in the Body of Christ and it doesn't make sense to me that Christ would stifle the gifts of female Christians simply because of their gender.

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  • Well stated and I agree.

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    Posted by: Donna7888
    Date posted: Wed Sep 3 13:38:33 2008
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    Pronoun, there's a scripture that the Apostle Paul states in the bible that says, I forbid a woman to exercise authority over a man.  That scripture has been taken out of context for a zillion years.

    What Paul was saying is that He forbids a woman to rule over a man.  And if a woman is a Pastor, she would be ruling over him because a Pastor is in a place of authority over people.

    There are women who minister the word of God and teach the bible, but they're not Pastors.  Joyce Meyer is one of them.

    A woman can preach and teach the word of God, but she cannot be a Pastor. Simply because God said so.  The apostle Paul quickly reminds us that it was Eve who was easily deceived.  God just doesn't want the woman to rule over a man, after all, we are the weaker sex and I know I'm going to get slammed for saying that.  Weaker meaning gentler and sweeter. 

    Hope that helps.

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  • I couldn't agree more. Margaret Thatcher
  • And that would be one of the MANY reasons why I left skid marks while leaving the Christian Faith..........DebS
  • ROTFLMAOPIMP!!!!! DebS you gave me the laugh of my day! eom
  • Thanks for responding Donna - Pronoun
  • They didn't put my face on a stamp for nothing. - Queen Elizabeth
  • and Paul also says slaves should obey thier masters. eom CG
  • Deceived my butt! I was hungry. -Eve
  • You go, Eve! :-) ''Original Sin'' my a$$.........DebS
  • We have female pastors in the United Methodist Church. GJ
  • Yeah, that's why I don't have as much disdain for the Methodist Church as I do for other Christian Sects...........DebS
  • I want my face on a stamp. - Hillary
  • DebS that's a classic! LOL [Not that I'm laughing at anyone here who expressed their opinion] Except Deb! LOLA......................OT
  • So, I'm reading Donna's post and I get to the part about how women can't be pastors because God said so, and I find myself holding my breath as I look for DebS's response. I was worried you might need CPR, Deb. ;o) //SqueezeMe

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    Posted by: Cassies grandma
    Date posted: Wed Sep 3 13:17:50 2008
    Message:
    Some do some don't. Many blacks churches who would call themselves Evangelical have women pastors. And so do white churches for that matter. And while most think of very conservative Christian's as Evangelical in reality all Christians are called to be carriers of The Word and hence could be called Evangelical. But that is a different discussion. Some denominations don't ordain women, such as Southern Baptists. But other denominations do. There are no hard and fast rules as far as I know.

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  • Thanks CG - Pronoun

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